"master" kev wrote :

My point was, there are alternative ("impertinent"?) structures - for animals and pieces of music!

well ... have u ever seen a frog with wings then , kev ??? *hehehe* ;-))) ... or "a piece of music" WITHOUT "a sound" ??? *BWG* ;-))) anyway ... there surely can be "alternative structures" for animals & also for pieces of music , BUT ... a certain basis is simply NECESSARY to define "a thing" / "a being" ... & also "a song" !!! ;-) to give y' all a very simple , but also very basic example for it : kw's "news" from the "radio-activity" album jus' ISN'T "a song" , but "a (sound)track" , while hexstatic's "deadly media" uses the same idea , it slowly , but steadily develops into "a song" , albeit of a very simple ( u may also call it "spartan" ;-) structure !!! *G+* ;-) did u get that ??? *sly_grin* ;-) p. s. : funnily enough , i've jus' played hexstatic's "communication breakdown" , which makes use of almost EV'RY modern communication tool like phones , faxes , modems , computers etc. in my last radio show !!! *XLG* ;-))) ( fyi : if u're interested in a lo-fi downloadable version of that show , jus' go to http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco/JVR_05-05-2002.mp3 !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*