Re: stockhausen vs. sala ...
jan asked :
1.: did you hear COMPLETELY what he said at this press conference? you didn't, i presume.
fyi : i haven't "heard" him say it , but i actually read THE_WHOLE_TRANSCRIPTION of that specific press conference on his own website - http://www.stockhausen.org - !!! based on that , i've built my opinion about it !!!
2.: nine-eleven provoked a waterfall of crappy statements all over the world, and the one by Stockhausen is not the most awful i've heard. and if everyone is given the boot who talked rubbish in this connection, there would be nearly no one left to talk with.
sure , but the way he "admires" the endurance of the terrorists is ... erm ... a lil' bit "too strange" to be called sane anymore ... imho , of course !!! btw : i DON'T hate him for what he's said , as there certainly is some truth in it as well , but i highly doubt that he's a mentally sane person ... albeit he's still "a great artists" in its own kind , like van gogh & others were too !!! *sly_grin* ;-)
i know that good old Sala never got it completely,
hm ... what do u mean exactly with "never got it completely" , jan ??? *slightly_puzzled_look* :-o the instrument , the music , the sound ... ???
but you have to know Stockhausen's serialistic concept in developing sounds to understand that the mixture trautonium would have been not too useful for that.
maybe u are right , but as far as i know , it has sadly NEVER been tested , so it will surely remain "an unanswered myth of musical history" ... now that "the maestro" ( oskar sala ) is dead !!! *sigh* :-o however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*
Oh Jay schrieb am 04.05.2002 16:37 Uhr MESZ:
fyi : i haven't "heard" him say it , but i actually read THE_WHOLE_TRANSCRIPTION of that specific press conference on his own website - http://www.stockhausen.org - !!! based on that , i've built my opinion about it !!!
Well, I'm not his spokesman, but first let me say: I'm sure, Stockhausen is neither senile nor has any sympathies for terrorists. According to - IIRC - Sueddeutsche Zeitung the whole thing went like this: It was a press conference on the occasion of two tape concerts of HYMNEN and GESANG DER JUENGLINGE. Then he was asked to say something about 9-11. He was obviously not prepared to say anything about that, but instead of being quite (which would have been better), he tried to say something. So his thoughts tumbled totally muddled out of his head. To me the point is: While he was speaking, Stockhausen *himself* realized that he was talking crap, and he *said so*. He said: "Wasn't it a terrible crap what occurred to me here?", and finally he asked the journalists not to use the material. But one of the journalists did. I remember the incomprehensible malice all over the feuilletons, as if they had only waited for an occasion to give him the push - maybe they were annoyed at him for living with two women? ;-) And BTW, I strongly suspect, he missed the korrrekt word. He didn't mean "Kunstwerk" ("work of art"), I think it was "Inszenierung" ("stage production") what he wanted to express and which would make much more sense to me.
sure , but the way he "admires" the endurance of the terrorists is ... erm ... a lil' bit "too strange" to be called sane anymore ... imho , of course !!!
see above.
i know that good old Sala never got it completely,
hm ... what do u mean exactly with "never got it completely" , jan ??? *slightly_puzzled_look* :-o the instrument , the music , the sound ... ???
Stockhausen's serial composing system, which he derived from duodecaphony. It's a rather mathematical composing style and something Sala never gets interested in. Sala always was more or less acting on instinct. Which is completely okay to me - as Joe Meek, another heroe of mine, always used to say: If it *sounds* right, it *is* right!
maybe u are right , but as far as i know , it has sadly NEVER been tested , so it will surely remain "an unanswered myth of musical history"
I'm not quite sure about this. But one thing we can say for sure is: Sala developed his instrument mainly for his own requirements. The mixture trautonium as it existed then was simply not the kind of sound source Stockhausen would have needed to get the results he was looking for. greetings, jan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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