Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer
I wrote:
Please let freedom flow at ease in here
oh jay answered:
oh yeah ... "the freedom of LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION" !!! *grim* :-/ i'm really sorry mate , but if u indeed support that kind of "freedom" here [...]
I support freedom period and saying what you think and believe in, is a big part of it. Wolfgang and Dirk have their own believes and they are entitled to express them freely, as long as they don't step into forbidden territory, everything should be OK. I know there's a fine line between what should be allowed or not, and since we are all mature people here, the right to decide what's legitimate to say or not should be left at the speakers will, agree? I feel extremely lucky to be in a position where I can read Wolfgang's and Dirk's believes. I might agree with them or not, but hey that's not the point here. The point is letting people express themselves, whether they are right or not, in fact Dirk even said here: "I got this from Ralf & Florian AND Conny Plank, perhaps these persons don't tell the truth. Sorry, if I was wrong ..." so you see, even he can admit the possibility of making a mistake. I know Dirk and Wolfgang are both thankful at having a chance to express themselves here. oh jay, please don't try to take away the very thing that makes a discussion list like this one a valuable one.
u better go & see a shrink ASAP & take your medication RIGHT_NOW_!!! [...]
Boy, you sure know how to stir up people's nerves. If I keep reading your hostile posts, I might end up taking some sort of medication after all. Just kidding (...felt like I had to point that out :-) Enrique
From: "Enrique Correa" <ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com>
Wolfgang and Dirk have their own believes and they are entitled to express them freely, as long as they don't step into forbidden territory,
fyi : dirki has VERY_CLEARLY "stepped into forbidden territory" as he ***_UNLAWFULLY_*** forwarded wolfi's PRIVATE message here with its original e-mail addy & should be RIGHTFULLY_CHASTISED therefore by the person , who runs this list , but who very obviously doesn't give a FAQ about it anymore !!! *very_deep_sigh* :-o this simply annoys me IMMENSELY & that's why i've more & more begin to dislike the whole "concept" of this list , without ANYBODY , who takes care of it , which is PLAINLY_WRONG , imho !!! *sigh* :-o if this has become jus' "a playground for trolls & troublemakers" , who like to flame each other , then ... i'll better move on to a much more friendlier & peacefully place , which i certainly know of !!! ;-)
the right to decide what's legitimate to say or not should be left at the speakers will, agree?
NO_WAY , enrique , because this is where & why all the mess has started !!! *sigh* :-o lil' dirki acts like a 5 year ol' in kindergarten & therefore should also be treated like that , imho !!!
I can read Wolfgang's and Dirk's believes.
well ... me too , but i really DON'T think that these are ANYTHIN' like "believes" or "opinions" , but jus' PURE_LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION from dirki to which wolfi already felt compelled to set the record straight here & now & tell us all THE_TRUTH_!!! that's the main diff'rence , dear enrique !!! "believe" me , mate !!! ;-)
The point is letting people express themselves, whether they are right or not,
that's the GREATEST_DANGER of all & will ONLY lead to more mistrust , hate , furious flame wars & defamation etc. ... & that's WHY_THIS_LIST_DESPERATELY_NEEDS_A_RESPONSIBLE_&_REASONABLE_OWNER_&_MODERATOR_!!! *sigh* :-o otherwise , this list jus' isn't worth a single cent of the euro any longer , imho !!! :-/
so you see, even he can admit the possibility of making a mistake.
HA_!!! how funny ... this is NOT_!!! *sigh* :-o as long as he doesn't sincerely apologizes to wolfi here on this list , he's jus' a complete jerk for me & i've already killfiled his addy , because i'm jus' sick & tired of readin' his utter bullshit here or in private any longer , sorry !!! :-/
I know Dirk and Wolfgang are both thankful at having a chance to express themselves here.
yeah ... for sure !!! :-/ jus' like damned cnn is LYIN' to us ev'ry day & fake info etc. !!! *sigh* :-o I'M_SOOO_SICK_&_TIRED_OF_ALL_THIS_CRAP_&_NONSENSE that i can only puke right now !!! :-0
oh jay, please don't try to take away the very thing that makes a discussion list like this one a valuable one.
i surely can live WITHOUT "the value of LIES , DECEIT , LIBEL , DEFAMATION & such crap" , dear enrique ... & that's by now almost the only thing that keeps this list "alive" somehow ... apart from the usual rumor about a new kw single or album !!! :-/ sad , but true !!! *sigh* :-o anyway ... i simply CAN'T stand people like dirki or eduardo or their ilk on the same list as me & therefore one of us MUST_GO ... or jus' SHUT_UP , which could very easily also be me , because as i've already said above , i'm jus' utterly SICK_&_TIRED of what u like to call "a discussion" ... like the one lil' dirki started here !!! :-/ 'nuff said for now !!! good night !!! oh jay *~\^/~*
Nicolau Centola <ncentola@terra.com.br> wrote:
I know there are several KW lists on the Web. Could anyone post the addresses/e-mails of them?
Try those listed at http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/email- list.html#others ? Oh Jay <oh_jay@freenet.de> wrote:
WHY_THIS_LIST_DESPERATELY_NEEDS_A_RES PONSIBLE_&_REASONABLE_OWNER_&_MODERATOR_!!!
Are you volunteering? :..-D
anyway ... i simply CAN'T stand people like dirki or eduardo or their ilk on the same list as me & therefore one of us MUST_GO ... or jus' SHUT_UP , which could very easily also be me
Yeah, yeah, right...
, because as i've already said above , i'm jus' utterly SICK_&_TIRED of what u like to call "a discussion" ... like the one lil' dirki started here !!! :-/
Shock news: OJ cross with other list members! :-O Well, anyway, I must get back to checking the German bicycling list I'm on. Ralf & Florian are busy flaming each other about derailleurs. K
OJ blabbered:
anyway ... i simply CAN'T stand people like dirki or eduardo or their ilk on the same list as me & therefore one of us MUST_GO ... or jus' SHUT_UP , which could very easily also be me
Oh, beauty! It is rumoured that Oscar Wilde on his death bed uttered his famous last words: "I don't like this wallpaper, one of us has to go". It was not the wallpaper that went. Now, if we only had Anne Robinson on the list... Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good
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