Guys, why don´t just move to the new list? The traffic here is getting down and probably it will colapse very soon. I know, everyone has a special reason to keep it. I´m on the list since 95 and made some nice virtual friends and few at the real world here. I went to Tribal Gathering to cover it for a brazilian magazine just because the list helped me to get the press pass. And many other reasons. I remember this list was my first connection with Internet in 1995. I have no connection, and a friend, who worked at IBM Brazil, print all the digests and send by post mail to me. So I get a dialed connection and start to post. I have some prints at home yet. BUT, IMHO there´s no future for this list. OK, someone could keep the archive, but it doesn´t matter if Lazlo or Dave own the list. They are not interested in keep it alive, so it´s time to move. Let´s leave our personal reasons here and start a new travel, in a much more well moderated list. What do you think? peace Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:11:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: SV: SV: Activerecord / Xmission (was: Re: [KRAFTWERK] double, triple and more messages) To: "Music, non-stop." Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote:
If I remember correctly, someone sometime mentioned that it was a guy called "Dave datta" who originally started this list, but I'm not shure...
That name definitely rings a bell. I know Lazlo Nibble AKA Ernie Longmeyer has been the list owner for as long as I've been on it, but I don't know the prehistory.
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:38:13 +0200 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: SV: Activerecord / Xmission (was: Re: [KRAFTWERK] double, triple and more messages) To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hmmm, I found his name in the first Archived Digest of this list, it's from January 1993 ! (David Datta)
Anyone who was on this list in 93 who's still lurking around here?
Anyone who has the adress to the seachable version of the archive?, I I know there was one around a few years ago...
Regards / Johan
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, ncentola wrote:
BUT, IMHO there´s no future for this list. OK, someone could keep the archive, but it doesn´t matter if Lazlo or Dave own the list. They are not interested in keep it alive, so it´s time to move.
After some conversations I had last week, I no longer see it as an issue of one list versus another. Why talk of "moving" from this list to the new one when we can be subscribed to both? -- /* Soleil */
le 16/10/03 00:23, Soleil Lapierre à lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca a écrit :
After some conversations I had last week, I no longer see it as an issue of one list versus another. Why talk of "moving" from this list to the new one when we can be subscribed to both?
Because no one can subscribe to this one anymore, and administration IS a problem. Why maintain a list where any normal moderation activity is out of question. A lot of mailing list from yahoo are currently under spam attack, and the only weapon is to have an admin to kick the offenders out right away. I may add that if any spam start on the list, it's be MANDATORY not to answer on the list, as you'll be giving your email to the spammer if you follow my idea. Also, I'm desperate to see all the [K] fan activity divided into 4 lists, as I have also the french list on top of it. This is complete non sense. The new Kreftwark list is a good neutral way to bring back everyone in the family. Maybe I dream (I'm only for about a bit more than a year on the Kfan mailing lists) but it's be GOOD :D And you should see the crazy [K] hungarians in red shirt See you in Budapest! ;) Denis U] ================================================ lepetitmartien M.I.C. http://www.macmusic.org
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, I've got a LASER, Earthman! wrote:
Because no one can subscribe to this one anymore, and administration IS a problem. Why maintain a list where any normal moderation activity is out of question. A lot of mailing list from yahoo are currently under spam attack, and the only weapon is to have an admin to kick the offenders out right away.
Part of what I'm getting at is, there is no maintenance to do on this list. Barring software problems at Xmission, it will continue to operate as is. Shutting it down, as some have proposed, would require cooperation the list owner - and if we're going to do that, why not get him to hand over the list to someone who has the time to administrate it?
I may add that if any spam start on the list, it's be MANDATORY not to answer on the list, as you'll be giving your email to the spammer if you follow my idea.
If nobody can join, there's no spam problem. :)
Also, I'm desperate to see all the [K] fan activity divided into 4 lists, as I have also the french list on top of it. This is complete non sense.
I think there are actually at least five English Kraftwerk mailing lists, though two or three of them are at Yahoo and therefore effectively closed. I don't see why having multiple lists is a problem. -- /* Soleil */
le 16/10/03 05:13, Soleil Lapierre à lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca a écrit :
Part of what I'm getting at is, there is no maintenance to do on this list. Barring software problems at Xmission, it will continue to operate as is. Shutting it down, as some have proposed, would require cooperation the list owner - and if we're going to do that, why not get him to hand over the list to someone who has the time to administrate it?
Join the admin is a problem. I've seen some rude talk here a while ago and this is not an incoming impossibility.
If nobody can join, there's no spam problem. :)
they are devilish o:c (that's the conspiracy theory minute)
I think there are actually at least five English Kraftwerk mailing lists, though two or three of them are at Yahoo and therefore effectively closed. I don't see why having multiple lists is a problem.
6 in English (thank to our crazy hungarians I've found out others), on these 4 on yahoo and at least 2 are not dead, this one is dying, people go, no one can come in. On my side I prefer a list that can live: it means an admin that can take decision if needed (don't tell me totally unmoderate lists are working I'm no Net newby, and if you want an authority argument, look at my signature :o) and a way for people to come and go. Here they can go, and can't come. It's non sense. Isn't it time for all this non-sense to just _stop_ Including the multiple lists (at least reduce their number). Denis U] ================================================ lepetitmartien M.I.C. http://www.macmusic.org
I've got a LASER, Earthman! writes:
le 16/10/03 00:23, Soleil Lapierre à lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca a écrit :
After some conversations I had last week, I no longer see it as an issue of one list versus another. Why talk of "moving" from this list to the new one when we can be subscribed to both?
Because no one can subscribe to this one anymore, and administration IS a problem. Why maintain a list where any normal moderation activity is out of question. A lot of mailing list from yahoo are currently under spam attack, and the only weapon is to have an admin to kick the offenders out right away.
I may add that if any spam start on the list, it's be MANDATORY not to answer on the list, as you'll be giving your email to the spammer if you follow my idea.
Also, I'm desperate to see all the [K] fan activity divided into 4 lists, as I have also the french list on top of it. This is complete non sense. The new Kreftwark list is a good neutral way to bring back everyone in the family. Maybe I dream (I'm only for about a bit more than a year on the Kfan mailing lists) but it's be GOOD :D
And you should see the crazy [K] hungarians in red shirt
I've been lurking on this list since 1999, but posted rarely. I have also been a member of three other music-related (and some non-music related) mailing lists. To date, this list is the only one I'm still subscribed too. All others have migrated to web forums. I would much rather use a *good* Kraftwerk web forum than remain on a mailing list. One of the major benefits of such forums is that you are not exposed to unwanted discussions, an off-topic section of the forum can contain most flames (in case you feel like participating), and you can still ban people just the same. Discussions can be moderated after the fact, so if a thread gets out of control, it's easy to close it. Also the forum is easily searchable (emphasis on *good* web forum software), and the threads keep all related messges together. And your e-mail doesn't get cluttered. My favorite forum software is http://www.vbulletin.com/ and I frequent a few forums which use it with great results. The emphasis on *good* forum software is such that I've seen too many forums using poor software that makes everyone seriously doubt whether it's really that much better than a mailing list. Just my opinion...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Oleg Rekutin wrote:
I would much rather use a *good* Kraftwerk web forum than remain on a mailing list. One of the major benefits of such forums is that you are not exposed to unwanted discussions, an off-topic section of the forum can contain most flames (in case you feel like participating), and you can still ban people just the same. Discussions can be moderated after the fact, so if a thread gets out of control, it's easy to close it. Also the forum is easily searchable (emphasis on *good* web forum software), and the threads keep all related messges together. And your e-mail doesn't get cluttered.
There are more advantages to a web forum than I had realized, but to me the killer drawback is that it requires using a web browser. It's a bothersome extra step. I find email participation vastly easier. -- /* Soleil */
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:25:20 -0600 (MDT), Soleil Lapierre wrote:
There are more advantages to a web forum than I had realized, but to me the killer drawback is that it requires using a web browser. It's a bothersome extra step. I find email participation vastly easier.
sure. and you can browse through mail much more quickly. Personally I won't bother visit a Web forum about KW or any band actually. I often go to talk on alt.music.kraftwerk, but many newsgroups server don't have it
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:05:33 +0200, I've got a LASER, Earthman! wrote:
Also, I'm desperate to see all the [K] fan activity divided into 4 lists, as I have also the french list on top of it. This is complete non sense. The new Kreftwark list is a good neutral way to bring back everyone in the family. Maybe I dream (I'm only for about a bit more than a year on the Kfan mailing lists) but it's be GOOD :D
peux tu me donner le moyen de s'inscrire à la liste KW française STP? J'en ignorais l'existance.
le 17/10/03 17:49, Arnaud à bonald@altern.org a écrit :
peux tu me donner le moyen de s'inscrire à la liste KW française STP?
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/kraftwerk_fr/ C'est plutôt calme, on a que la substantifique moelle des autres, et du off topic intéressant. Sans la "pollution" de tous les groupes electro obscurs ou les revival K
J'en ignorais l'existance.
comme j'ignorais au moins 3 autres groupes UK %) [/Français] Denis U] ================================================ lepetitmartien M.I.C. http://www.macmusic.org
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