Dear all, 'need to sound off here. It's no good having a go at Eduardo. Yes, it is illegal to sell this stuff when the copyright is owned by Kraftwerk of their material. But where do you draw the line when you try and preach from the moral high ground? I KNOW people on this list possess bootlegged material and whether you have traded with each other, downloaded MP3's or purchased it from some dubious source, it's still illegal and ethically wrong to have it. Any non-endorsed artist material is illegal! So some of the comments I've been reading here smack of hypocrisy. But as Eduardo says, 'as fan, I feel myself frustrate for not finding in the store material " official " as videos and CDs concerts.' and I echo that sentiment. If someone offered me a digitally recorded concert on video or disc in super sharp sound and vision for an amount of money then I would buy it. No doubt about that. If the members of Kraftwerk were really pissed with fans buying bootlegged recorded material then they would I'm sure get their act together and release an official product. End of rant Shaun my friend john wrote :
There are lots of people who have great collections of Kraftwerk... however it NOT for them to sell copies of those items... the sounds on those recordings belong to Kraftwerk and NO ONE else.
It IS wrong for you to sell them (no matter how many people email you!)
thank u , john , for ( hopefully !!! ) makin' this clear ... once & for all !!!
From: "Shaun Vaughan" <shaun@x1.ltd.uk>
Any non-endorsed artist material is illegal! So some of the comments I've been reading here smack of hypocrisy.
okay , then call me "a hypocrite" if u like , but I_WOULD_NEVER_MAKE_PROFIT_OF_OTHER_PEOPLE'S_WORK_!!! PERIOD_!!! that's what eduardo wanted to do first via this list & that is simply WRONG_!!! did u get that , shaun ??? well ... by now he realized this & only wanted to trade or swap his vcd's , which is perfectly okay for me ... like almost ev'ry NON_PROFIT deal on mailin' lists for fans like this !!! otherwise jus' go to e-bay or somethin' similar , as i've also suggested , because THAT'S_THE_PLACE to make profit of other people's work , if u feel the need to do so ... but most definitely NOT_HERE_!!! PERIOD_!!! hopefully U ( & others too !!! ) will finally realize this also !!! thanx for readin' !!! however ... greetinx , oh jay ( who's obviously "NOT very amused" about this whole thread !!! :-/ ) *~\^/~*
Oh Jay wrote:
well ... by now he realized this & only wanted to trade or swap his vcd's , which is perfectly okay for me ... like almost ev'ry NON_PROFIT deal on mailin' lists for fans like this !!!
"Only"? How can you trade or swap material that is not yours to trade or swap? Apparently the word "copyright" is meaningless to you. The fact that a band does not release videos or live albums to the public does not mean you can swap such material. Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl Any spam mail sent to me results in counter measures.
From: "Rick Jansen" <rja@euronet.nl>
"Only"? How can you trade or swap material that is not yours to trade or swap?
well ... apparently u are one of those "hypocrites" that shaun was talkin' about , because u simply WON'T understand the BIG diff'rence between SELLIN' & tradin' or swappin' somethin' , rick !!! *sigh* :-o
Apparently the word "copyright" is meaningless to you.
oh dear ... your "i'm houlier than thou" attitude really SUXXX_HARDEST , rick !!! :-/ i bet a few bucks that u've also traded or swapped some "stuff" ( whatever it might be !!! ) with other fans ... or if not , u have @ least shared or downloaded mp3s from the internet for free , so WHO_ARE_U , to "teach" me the true meanin' of copyright , eh ??? >:-O get a life , mate & PLEASE shut up , because this whole thread is beginnin' to annoy me immensely by now !!! *grumble* :-/
The fact that a band does not release videos or live albums to the public does not mean you can swap such material.
"blah blah blah ..." said that hypocrite & nobody listened to him anymore !!! :-o however ... this topic is closed for me , because i have a lot better things to do - especially on this weekend !!! ;-) - than to argue with people , who simply have such a hypocritic attitude in this case like rick !!! :-/ enjoy your weekend ... & do whatever u want , because i'm off now !!! ;-) oh ja(y) ;-) *~\^/~*
Any non-endorsed artist material is illegal! So some of the comments I've been reading here smack of hypocrisy. But as Eduardo says, 'as fan, I feel myself frustrate for not finding in the store material " official " as videos and CDs concerts.' and I echo that sentiment.
BINGO !! Yes, my friend Shaun !! This is a point !! In this list i saw the hipocrisy, because everyone wants the same things " Oficial videos" !!! Anyway, the discussion here is not my "sales" , Is the law - only KRAFTWERK can sell your works. So, we can be called - pirates !!! Is this the reality !! Boing !! Boom Tschak ! Eduardo Monteiro
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