Thanks to Lord Ruthen and OJ for an interesting debate. Yes, Stockhausen has said some very weird things over the years, and the hero-worship he encounters might cloud his judgement too sometimes? But he has worked damn hard for that reputation. Markus Berzborn <markus.berzborn@t-online.de> wrote:
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As many of you know, Kraftwerk is another one of the many groups who says that they were greatly influenced by the music of Stockhausen.
Have they ever actually said that they were? (Genuine question!).
I don't think so
As I thought. :-) (Karl B's comments indicate a high regard for Stockhausen's work, but, with no disrespect, comments at awards ceremonies prove little, eh? :-) ).
but I just wanted to pass on the text without personal comments.
Sure. But isn't it tiresome how the same old hearsay gets repeated by the mass media?! (More at http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/related- projects.html#stockhausen ;-) )
he likes devices like the early DX models
He used some heavily Frequency Modulated "synthetic" sounds on his recent soundtrack for the Brothers Quay film 'In Absentia' (http:// www.zeitgeistfilms.com/current/quays/absentia.html), so I guess that may have been partly down to a DX synth. Enrique Correa <ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com> wrote:
Karlheinz Stockhausen must be one of must boring musicians (if we can call him that) on this planet. Yeah, he received some fancy prizes and stuff like that, but I dare any of you to listen to any of his recordings non stop. Chances are you'll feel tempted to press forward a few times and then the stop / eject button so you can then take it straight back to that second hand store you got it from and trade it for something a bit more melodic (just about anything in store will do). What I've heard from him is nothing but noise crap,
etc etc Enqrique, no personal offence intended, but you really need to try to educate yourself about the possibilities of expression via sound before you start ranting like that! Lack of "melody" is not the same as noise, or lack of meaning. Your comments are akin to someone wandering into an art gallery and saying that Picasso couldn't draw circles properly, Dali's scenarios were unrealistic and Rueben's women need to go on a diet. And then holding up pictures of clowns, crying boys and wild horses as superior, because they are nicer.
sort of what Aphex Twin and Autechre do from time to time,
Learn to really _listen_. You can teach yourself, if you have the will and patience. But you have to start from the position that you are willing to learn. There are major rewards, I think, so don't miss out! ;-)
with the only difference that Aphex and Autechre did in fact recorded several ear candy tunes which I love deeply.
"Ear candy"? Streuth, settle down with a nice Bing Crosby LP, why don't you! :-D (Just kidding - I think!). Erik Jälevik <erik@tinyonline.co.uk> wrote:
BTW, Varese's "Poème electronique" is a very fine piece of classical electronica.
That makes it sound very cheap! But it is a fine piece of electronic music, and also a fun one, which is not too alienating for "the general public" (although over 4 decades later, classical music venues still find it too strange for them, in my experience). Oh Jay <oh_jay@freenet.de> wrote:
"music is organized noise !!!" ;-)
Ralf's corruption of Varese's definition "music is organised sound"!
the next two albums ( "autobahn" & "radio-activity" ) to discover their concept status , as both - "autobahn" & "radio-activity" - still included lots of "noisy" trax that simply can't be described as conventional songs , because they jus' lack such a structure !!!
They "lack" such a structure in the same way that a frog lacks wings!
erm ... please excuse me , but what the heck is "administrivia" ??? *puzzled_look* :-o surely NOT a "normal" english word , eh !? :-o
Like "electronica", it's Newspeak. ;-) Kevin