----- Original Message ----- From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de>
sure , it has , but i'm currently ONLY interested in the link between kw & their female listeners in this specific case , so GENERAL statistics of a certain country that's not the one i & the original questioner ( antje , if i recall right ??? ;-) come from , simply DOESN'T apply to me nor to her or ANY other male or female german kw fan !!!
Uh, yes it does, because Kraftwerk's music is not unique is a sociological sense. Musical yes, sociological no. In general, German females are pretty much the same as females in any other similar country. Their background, education, culture, influences are to a large extent the same. Beside, you say "link between kw & their female listeners", but that is not what we are discussing, we (at least I am) are talking about *general female population* and their listening habits. If a woman is already a KW listener, she it outside the demographic we are talking about. So we are actually talking about "link between kw & their potential female listeners" :-)
well ... i highly suppose that the american keyboard magazine hasn't asked female german kw fans ( nor even german females in general !!! ) about what kind of music they like , so this article simply is of NO_IMPORTANCE to us in this specific case , sorry !!!
Again, I am not talking about *German* females! The article in Keyboards is NOT a survey, it was an interview with a known musician who had observed that females in general are not interested in "technological" music. His observation is valid for the American female population (and they are quite a few you know) and therefore supports the general notion that females in Western countries are generally less interested in synth music than males.
fyi : i've NEVER said that my personal experiences are anythin' like "statistical info" of any kind , so i dunno where a misunderstandin' comes into play in this specific case , dear glenn !!! *sly_grin* ;-)
I just meant, if someone says "but all my female friends like Kraftwerk so I think every female likes Kraftwerk" is a common misunderstanding of how individuals represent or not the general population.
of course , but such a survey's result printed in an american keyboard magazine is of ABSOLUTELY_NO_VALUE_NOR_IMPORTANCE for us german kw fans ...
Yes it has. I did not refer to an *American* survey. The surveys I have read are from Europe. If, and only if, any survey was *printed* in Keyboards it could still be valid if it was a *European* survey. It's not where you print it that matters, but where the survey was made.
no matter , if we are male or female - simply because i bet that NONE of us were asked , right !? *slyest_grin* ;-)))
People who are already KW fans are outside the target demographics. The question is: "Who dont you listen to Kraftwerk?". It would be futile to ask this to long time fans that are member of the list :-) When you plan to find out why females dont like KW, you have to ask those that are not fans. People will answer "because I dont like this music" and when you analyze why they dont like this music, you will find several factors of which one is "lack of lyrics" or "lack of (good) melody". It can be argued that many (not all) females do not "understand" a melody played by synths, it should be sung by a person for them to appreciate it as a good melody. This is not so difficult to understand, if you believe than men is interested in "things" and women are interested in "people". Again, this is a general statement, please any females out there - dont take offense.
in other words : if ONLY american citizens were asked , it ONLY applies to them & if ONLY german citizens were asked , it ONLY applies to them etc. !!! ;-)
Depends on what you ask them. The human brain works pretty much the same all over the world. When it comes to who likes what kind of music, many factors are important but since Germany and USA are pretty much the same in a sociological sense (wether you like it or not, that is fact) an American study of this matter would be highly valid for Germans. But again, the studies I actually did refer to, where European. Glenn