I really like time pie - I think Fluer's project was largely underrated and went unnoticed probably due to the lack of promotions, karls 1st album was reminiscent of ec, it seem like he wanted to explore the ideas further which to me sounds dated, don't get me wrong I love the album I wouldn't dare part with it!, at any rate fluer's album is much more creative here the possibility of kw recording an ambient dub album are explored if you listen to this cd very good you can definitely tell someone from kw is involve another reason what gives this album it contemporary sound is vastly due to andy toma and jan werner involvement from mouse on mars (which I like better) don't tell fluer :>0 sum it up I think this album is a excellent effort and fans of newer electronic dub (i.e. the orb, oval, mouse on mars) should give a try.