Flag Promotions presents
ELEKTROFEST 2002
Featuring
AND ONE
BEBORN BETON
THE NINE
MAN(I)KIN
KOMPUTER
SWARF
THE SEPIA
Sunday March 31st 2002 at The Mean Fiddler, Charing Cross Road,
London.
3pm - 11pm
Tickets £12 [+ booking fee]
Flag Promotions presents
MESH Live!
Support by
T.O.Y.
KOMPUTER
Sunday April 21st at Camden Palace, London.
Tickets £11.50 [+ booking fee]
http://www.mute.com/mute/news/tour.htm#Komputer
DER AUTOMAT
John wrote:
>Not always the case. Computer World (LP) for example, hit us in 1981...
>computers were NOT a part of daily life. On the obscure end of the scale
>what about "Hall of Mirrors" is that immediately understandable?
Well, Computers were in a sense a part of our everyday life in 1981 because
they were beginning to control everything, such as Scotland Yard etc, I
would concede not everyone had a computer then, but I think that is still
the case today? As for "The Hall of Mirrors", I think people who liked
narcotics would be more likely to understand that one!
>But.... I'll concede that Kraftwerk pick topics which they like, want to
>comment on or just want to have fun with!
I think they are quite unpredictable in this way, we do not always know what
they are interested in....
>OK.. cellphones "we use today" are obviously as up to date as you can get..
>but the "idea" of a mobile communicating device is a little older...
Yes, it goes back to the Yuppie era of the 1980's in our country, when
highfliers carried around bricks and spoke into them, no-one knew what was
going on, but these are the days when the mobile is owned by nearly everyone
and is easy to carry
>I believe the study of Phonetics IS 'old'
Oh yes, undeniably. But Phonetics is being used now in a completely
different way, such as the "Phonetic Dictionary" that was conveniently
placed for me to provide a link to! It shows how we are changing old
concepts to fit the modern world
Rob.
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Rob Evans mentioned
"Um...Kraftwerk make albums about things that are part of our everyday life,
rather than obscure things that not too many people understand."
Not always the case. Computer World (LP) for example, hit us in 1981...
computers were NOT a part of daily life. On the obscure end of the scale
what about "Hall of Mirrors" is that immediately understandable?
But.... I'll concede that Kraftwerk pick topics which they like, want to
comment on or just want to have fun with!
Rob also said
"How on earth is the internet "old", how on earth are the cellphones that we
use today old and how on earth is modern language studies (phonetics)
old???"
OK.. cellphones "we use today" are obviously as up to date as you can get..
but the "idea" of a mobile communicating device is a little older...
I believe the study of Phonetics IS 'old'.... maybe the electronic
reproduction of sounds is a little newer.. BUT... I know of references to a
professor Kratzenstein (from Holland??) who produced sounds of the vowels
with tubes connected to the pipes of a church organ. All this was done in
the 1770's.
Keep Werking
John
www.keepwerking.co.uk
Oh Jay wrote:
> > 2 Cellphone
>
>well ... we would @ least have 3 ( or even more !!! ;-) diff'rent
>"versions"
>of that particular track
It is possible that Kraftwerk could have more than one track on the album
about "Mobile Phones", such as the "Text Message" track that I have
mentioned. Sending text messages in my country (UK) is a way of life for
many people because it is inexpensive and gets the message across
efficiently, I send text messages rather than "call" other people...unless
it is absolutely necessary.
The "Dialogue" track could be about a completely new language, more up to
date than the Esperanto and Franglais languages that we all already aware
of!
My point of view is not to overcomplicate things too much, stick to subjects
that streetwise people are comfortable with rather than what the scientists
have to say, which is obviously interesting but perhaps a little bit much
for you or I at this stage...
Rob.
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Omega Chance wrote:
>Look broader on the field of communication.
A possible tracklisting, based on the classic 6-track formula established by
1978's "The Man Machine" (the tracks could be quite long)
Kraftwerk - "Webwide World"
1 Webwide World
2 Cellphone
3 Text Message
4 Dialogue
5 Phonetics
6 E-Mail
We can work on the track names later
Rob.
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Kraftwerk should not let concepts get in the way of a new album, I would be
delighted if they made an album of brand new music and simply called it "The
Mix 2" or something....
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John Shilcock wrote:
>I don't believe this would be the case. All these ideas are old and are
>part
>of our every day life.
Um...Kraftwerk make albums about things that are part of our everyday life,
rather than obscure things that not too many people understand. We are
talking about an updated Computer World, so we replace Home Computers,
Pocket Calculators and Educational Programming with the Internet, Cellphones
and Phonetics.
How on earth is the internet "old", how on earth are the cellphones that we
use today old and how on earth is modern language studies (phonetics) old???
Rob.
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Rob did write, *he he*
"A possible tracklisting, based on the classic 6-track formula established
by 1978's "The Man Machine" (the tracks could be quite long) Kraftwerk -
"Webwide World" 1 Webwide World 2 Cellphone 3 Text Message 4 Dialogue 5
Phonetics 6 E-Mail We can work on the track names later"
I don't believe this would be the case. All these ideas are old and are part
of our every day life. I believe themes would be based on leading edge ideas
(hence my earlier suggestion of genetics). But on the theme of
communication.. what about biologic links to computers?.. scientists are
experimenting with this right now.. there are even artificial eyes now!
Stevie Wonder has had one of the first prototypes. Wouldn't this be a good
theme... AND fall in to an updated "Man Machine" concept?
Keep Werking
John
www.keepwerking.co.uk
>kw simply wouldn't be kw , if they would "let NO concepts get in their way"
>, dear rob !!! ;-) :-/
What is the concept of Electic Cafe then, I would love you to tell me,
because I always though the last concept album that Kraftwerk made was
Computer World, which you seem to think deserves remaking, I prefer
something new by Kraftwerk (i.e. something they haven't covered before)
Rob.
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