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Alec Empire on Kraftwerk
by Der Automat 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

I don't remember if the following was posted already to this list, if so I apologize to everyone. OTOH, I know this is rather old but it is weird enough to be mentioned here, IMO. Alec Empire (from Atari Teenage Riot) Duesseldorf 26-11-1999 http://www.nme.com/news/2457.htm: "We should call Kraftwerk up and tell them to come down here. hahaha but they would be too cool - the self-announced "godfathers of techno"! hahaha. They would be like: Nein,nein - Sat iz not kool! It iz too rockistish. prrrrppr. I mean did anybody hear that shit they did for this Expo-shit. I mean it is shit - yeah they got some money but who fucking cares about that. ... Does it make it clever and good. NOOOO. Hahaha - We should announce in the press that Kraftwerk is coming down here to play with us together - and everybody would be like: wow theze guyz muzt be really kool!!!! And we ring up these friends of mine in Minneapolis who do sculptures and we would put these perfect copies of the fucking lame robots on stage. Hahaha and everybody would be like: theze guyz are zooo really kool!!!! Zey play wiz Kraftwerk!!! Man!!! And the real Kraftwerk guys would be pissed as hell!!! And there would be nothing they could do about it or they have to fucking destroy their elitist image and call the media up to tell the truth - and the truth would make them look so stupid. Hahaha Have you read the book of the fourth guy who was like the slave in Kraftwerk. Who built the fucking drummachine and the other two guys got the copyright on it. ... I mean everything they said was wrong: Autobahn, Radioactivity, Model, It's more fun to compute and so on. This guy ROPE on our label GEIST is going to release a new record in the first months of 2000 - it's called >>IT'S NO FUN TO COMPUTE<< It's a very cool record, man. very cool - I heard it already. Come on , let's go and eat. And then hours later we go on stage, everybody applauses, nobody dances, Hanin vomits all over Trent's monitors, and I'm attacking the fucking Kraftwerkgoths, I mean it's like everybody in the audience is looking like robots suddenly - we got ourselves so much into this Anti-Dusseldorf thing. It's like this high-society city you know." --- Unquoted --- Digital Hardcore Recordings http://www.digitalhardcore.com DER AUTOMAT ®

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The Mix and Work
by anthony.ristic＠btopenworld.com 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

Hi all, I have recently subscribed to this mailing list in the hope that I would get a sniff of information about a possible forthcoming tour. >From what I have been reading this seems about as likely as the sun coming out in London at the moment. Anyway, I have just secured a copy of Orbital's new 'greatest hits' album, "Work 1989-2002". I have always regarded Orbital as having picked up, where Kraftwerk left off. Not so much in terms of musical genre but in terms of their quality of production and pin-sharp programming. This album really stands out as one of the finest collections of electronica to be produced in the last decade. I have been indebted to these two brothers for their seminal live performances and constant innovation which have filled the vaccuum left by years of inactivity by our beloved KW. The collaboration by the two groups on expo2000 was a shelf-filler and nothing more. I will be seeing Orbital play an open-air concert at Somerset House (London) on June 22. I know for a fact that my brother and I will witness a performance which will resonate in our aural memories forever. No matter where you are from; Korea, Germany or round the corner, I strongly suggest you get a ticket (www.wayahead.com) and be part of a ceremony which is rapidly dying out. Look forward to seeing there if you are already a convert. Sorry if I sound live an advertising agent, I started writing this when I read all your comments about The Mix. The Mix is another shelf-filler but I DO love the version of Computer World and Musique Non Stop. MOVE ON - that album was not important in the great scheme of things. Work 1989-2002 is important. Anthony > from: kraftwerk-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:32:12 > to: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > subject: Re: Kraftwerk digest, Vol 1 #183 - 4 msgs > > Send Kraftwerk mailing list submissions to > kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kraftwerk-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kraftwerk-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Kraftwerk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: mix (Lemmens Geert) > 2. Re: mix (John Shilcock) > 3. Re: mix (www.network81.com) > 4. Re: mix (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Erik_J=E4levik?=) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 04:21:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Lemmens Geert <gele_skylined(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] mix > To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > --0-1677187475-1023362500=:65752 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > i think the mix is the difference between the "old" kw fans and the "new" fans. over the years i noticed on this list that everybody who was a fan in the 70's and 80's doesn't like the mix that much. but it can not be ignored that a lot of younger fans discovered kw via the mix (i for one am one of them). so for the "new" fans the mix will always be one of the best (maybe the best) kw albums. > just trying to find an answer to a discussion that keeps comming back... > g > > webmaster(a)slystone.com wrote: > > Rob Evans wrote: > > > I much prefer the Mix version of Computer Love actually. > > Now that is great. > > -------------- > i agree with all your posts but this one. > The Mix iz a disco Mess. > > amir > > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > > father/into your hands/I/command my spirit. > why have you forsaken me, > in your eyes forsaken me, > in your thoughts forsaken me, > in your heart forsaken me, me oh. > trust in my self righteous suicide, > I, cry, when angels deserve to die... > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > --0-1677187475-1023362500=:65752 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > > i think the mix is the difference between the "old" kw fans and the "new" fans. over the years i noticed on this list that everybody who was a fan in the 70's and 80's doesn't like the mix that much. but it can not be ignored that a lot of younger fans discovered kw via the mix (i for one am one of them). so for the "new" fans the mix will always be one of the best (maybe the best) kw albums. > just trying to find an answer to a discussion that keeps comming back... > g > > webmaster(a)slystone.com wrote: > <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> Rob Evans wrote: > I much prefer the Mix version of Computer Love actually. > Now that is great. -------------- i agree with all your posts but this one. The Mix iz a disco Mess. amir _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk</BLOCKQUOTE> father/into your hands/I/command my spirit. why have you forsaken me, in your eyes forsaken me, in your thoughts forsaken me, in your heart forsaken me, me oh. trust in my self righteous suicide, I, cry, when angels deserve to die... <hr size=1>Do You Yahoo!? > <a href="http://rd.yahoo.com/welcome/*http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/en/spl">Sign-up for Video Highlights</a> of 2002 FIFA World Cup > --0-1677187475-1023362500=:65752-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "John Shilcock" <john(a)keepwerking.co.uk> > To: "KW" <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] mix > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:36:55 0100 > Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Lemmens Geert [gele_skylined(a)yahoo.com] wrote > >>over the years i noticed on this list that everybody who was a fan in the > 70's and 80's doesn't like the mix that much > > Let's blow this one out of the water straight away ;o).... I 'discovered' > Kraftwerk around 1978.... but love the mix.... yes... I play it loud too! > *he he* > > Keep Werking > John > www.keepwerking.co.uk > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "www.network81.com" <klingklang(a)network81.com> > To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] mix > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:32:36 0200 > Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > the mix is one of the best albums... > but i prefere "computerwelt". > what do fans think about "organisation"?? *hehe* > -------------------------------------- > www.network81.com > www.arthur-brehm.de > www.klanghof.de > www.duesselklang.de > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lemmens Geert" <gele_skylined(a)yahoo.com> > To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] mix > > > > > > i think the mix is the difference between the "old" kw fans and the "new" > fans. over the years i noticed on this list that everybody who was a fan in > the 70's and 80's doesn't like the mix that much. but it can not be ignored > that a lot of younger fans discovered kw via the mix (i for one am one of > them). so for the "new" fans the mix will always be one of the best (maybe > the best) kw albums. > > just trying to find an answer to a discussion that keeps comming back... > > g > > > > webmaster(a)slystone.com wrote: > > > > Rob Evans wrote: > > > > > I much prefer the Mix version of Computer Love actually. > > > Now that is great. > > > > -------------- > > i agree with all your posts but this one. > > The Mix iz a disco Mess. > > > > amir > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Kraftwerk mailing list > > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > > > > father/into your hands/I/command my spirit. > > why have you forsaken me, > > in your eyes forsaken me, > > in your thoughts forsaken me, > > in your heart forsaken me, me oh. > > trust in my self righteous suicide, > > I, cry, when angels deserve to die... > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Erik_J=E4levik?= <erik.jalevik(a)ntlworld.com> > To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] mix > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:40:52 0100 > Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lemmens Geert" <gele_skylined(a)yahoo.com> > > i think the mix is the difference between the "old" kw fans and the "new" > fans. over the > >years i noticed on this list that everybody who was a fan in the 70's and > 80's doesn't like the > >mix that much. but it can not be ignored that a lot of younger fans > discovered kw via the mix > >(i for one am one of them). so for the "new" fans the mix will always be > one of the best > >(maybe the best) kw albums. > > Well, I've been a fan of Kraftwerk for a long time, but nowhere near as long > as some of the people on here. I was born in the year when Radio-Activity > came out which means I was 16 when The Mix came out. I had heard some > Kraftwerk stuff before that but I think The Mix was the first Kraftwerk > album I bought. And although I loved it at the time and it could be said to > have heightened my interest for the band, the big point for me is that it > just doesn't have the longevity of the earlier stuff. And today, for me, it > would be a contender for the worst Kraftwerk album. It just feels quite > unnecessary. Still wondering why they released it, could it maybe have been > that they needed some money to buy new bikes? > > Erik > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > > > End of Kraftwerk Digest

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( totally OT , but somehow necessary to understand oh jay's postings ;-) "the alien language decoder" file !!! *G+* ;-)
by Oh Jay 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

fyi : the "g" for "grin" can also be replaced by an "s" for "smile" !!! ;-) <g> = <grin> <g+> = <gorgeous grin> <bg> = <big grin> <vbg> = <very big grin> <bwg> = <big wide grin> or - in some cases - also <big wicked grin> <mwg> = <most wide grin> or - in some cases - also <most wicked grin> <lg> = <large grin> <xlg> = <eXtra large grin> <lol> = <laughing out loud> <lola> = <laughing out loud again> <lolita> = <laughing out loud in tremendous amusement> <rotfl> = <rolling on the floor laughing> <rotflol> = <rolling on the floor laughing out loud> <rotflmao> = <rolling on the floor laughing my a** off> ( sometimes the "a**" is replaced by a "butt" !!! ;-) <j/k> = <just kidding> <btw> = <by the way> <fyi> = <for your information> <afaik> = <as far as i know> <iirc> = <if i recall correctly> <im(h)o> = <in my (humble) opinion> <otoh> = <on the other hand> <asap> = <as soon as possible> <xxx> = <x-rated expression> ;-) <hehehe> = <that's just me ... laughin' !!!> ;-))) p. s. : feel free to use any of the above abbreviated expressions in your postings too ... even without payin' any royalties to me or my publishin' company !!! *hehehe* ;-))) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - june 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco playlist archive : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/playlists brand new website release soon @ http://www.jointventureradio.net & also http://www.jointventureradio.org *~\^/~*

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Re: ( mostly OT ) "the real deal" <snip>
by Oh Jay 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

luca wrote : > Welcome back, Oh Jay! thanx a lot , mate !!! *VBS* :-))) > I always love reading your posts, thanx again , luca !!! :-) > even if sometimes they R a _lil'_ b!t hard > 2 understand! ("cheeky_smile" ;-%%%%) guess what ??? ;-) i think that i should post "oh jay's alien language decoder" file here too then !!! *BWG* ;-))) > Speaking about "PLAIN_FACTS": > Your last message as "Oh Jay": May 8 > Your first message as "..::=|X|=::..": May 23 > So in only fifteen days, you found the time to: > 1) leave the list completely > 2) enjoy your long and well deserved break from the list > 3) re-join the list (but keeping a low profile) > 4) feel compelled to post > > Let's face the facts OJ, you can't do without us!!! *hehehe* ;-))))))) yep , u are DAMNED_RIGHT , dear luca !!! *LOL* ;-))) p. s. : kw content of this message : imho , the only song that is indeed better ( done ) on kw's "the mix" album is the new combination ( or mix ;-) of "boing boom tschak" & "music non-stop" , which simply ROXXX_!!! *G+* ;-) ( btw : i've played that version in my own "alien disco" radio show jus' recently !!! for more info about it , simply check out the linx to the playlist archive below , fellows !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - june 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco playlist archive : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/playlists brand new website release soon @ http://www.jointventureradio.net & also http://www.jointventureradio.org *~\^/~*

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RE: [Kraftwerk] ( mostly OT ) "the real deal" <snip>
by Shaun Vaughan 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

Shaun has now left our company please could you stop sending this info through please thanks -----Original Message----- From: kraftwerk-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:kraftwerk-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Luca Dassi Sent: 06 June, 2002 3:47 PM To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] ( mostly OT ) "the real deal" <snip> Welcome back, Oh Jay! I always love reading your posts, even if sometimes they R a _lil'_ b!t hard 2 understand! ("cheeky_smile" ;-%%%%) Speaking about "PLAIN_FACTS": Your last message as "Oh Jay": May 8 Your first message as "..::=|X|=::..": May 23 So in only fifteen days, you found the time to: 1) leave the list completely 2) enjoy your long and well deserved break from the list 3) re-join the list (but keeping a low profile) 4) feel compelled to post Let's face the facts OJ, you can't do without us!!! *hehehe* ;-))))))) Ciao, Luca _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk

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Re: [Kraftwerk] mix
by Rob Evans 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

Erik schreibt: >Still wondering why they released it, could it maybe have been >that they needed some money to buy new bikes? Kraftwerk were supposed to release a best of album after Electric Cafe, but Ralf decided that they had to get their hands "dirty". Another reason was to update the sound of their classic tracks for the purpose of live concerts. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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Re: [Kraftwerk] mix
by John Shilcock 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

Lemmens Geert [gele_skylined(a)yahoo.com] wrote >>over the years i noticed on this list that everybody who was a fan in the 70's and 80's doesn't like the mix that much Let's blow this one out of the water straight away ;o).... I 'discovered' Kraftwerk around 1978.... but love the mix.... yes... I play it loud too! *he he* Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk

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Re: [Kraftwerk] goodbye!
by muziknut2＠juno.com 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

>I doubt if Capitol Records (Right Stuff Records, Hollywood) >would release a near-perfect fake version >of one of its own artists' hits, but record companies have a >constant tendency to surprise me. By the way you phrased that, you mean Hollywood Records is a subsidiary of Capitol/EMI???? Wait a minute--Hollywood Records is owned by Disney and is distributed by Universal; Mammoth is one of its subsidiaries. Get your facts straight! Peace.

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Computer Love. Was: Kraftwerkfans unite!
by Pat Slade 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

Now Neon Lights: there's some melodie for ya, Kraftwerk at some of their finest on that one, imo. pat > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> > > Yes, in your opinion. But get this. I LOVE Neon Lights and Europe >Endless. > >And I don't. > > > So work that out! I much prefer the Mix version of Computer Love >actually. > >Ah, sacrilege! Even though The Mix sounded good at the time, it has aged >much worse than their previous albums. In my opinion, I'd better add or >I'll >incur all kinds of wrath. ;) > >Erik > >(BTW, why all the "get this" and "work that out"? There's enough aggro on >this list as it is.) > > >_______________________________________________ >Kraftwerk mailing list >Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Kraftwerkfans unite!
by Enrique Correa 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

E-Media (a.k.a. too many to remember) wrote: > For all those of you, who are sick and tired of > this list: I'm afraid there not too many of them around anymore, except those who keep leaving only to come back with different nicks. Don't you get it? You and you alone have a problem with this list (and with many other things in life, I'm sure). > Join the Kraftwerkfans list at Yahoo! groups now! > It's a thousand times better than this one! > Click here to join it: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kraftwerkfans/join Oh Jay (a.k.a. too many to remember), founder and co-moderator of that list has admitted that the list we are all in is much more active than any other in the web, so I wonder how can others be better? > Btw: The list was founded and is currently co-moderated > by a guy called Oh Jay, who knows a lot about KW No shit. He's also very angry at people who does not agree with his tremendous knowledge. You are using the wrong bait here, pal. As a matter of fact, he is the only reason why a few Italian fellows will be leaving that list in a short while. > Further co-moderators are John Shilcock and Christian > Claycomb. A very quiet list with three (or is it four?) moderators. Now that's something to be amused about. I'm sure if there's any life left on that list is thanks to John, Christian and Mrs Robot. > P.S.: Trolls, troublemakers, flamers and other disruptive > individuals will immediately be removed from that list! Except the most annoying one of them all: oh jay. He is like the owner of the ball in a soccer match. No way he will ever get a red card, nor to be the goalkeeper at any game. See you around, oh jay! E

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