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Kraftwerk and punk
by Enrique Correa 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Oystein wrote: > And I just thought of something else... the Kraftwerk-inspired pop > of the UK in the early eighties, with the new romantics etc, was > also started by punks! Foxx and Numan were mentioned.... don't forget Joy Division, who later became New Order. Awesome band(s). E

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Electro punk
by ncentola 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Don´t forget Ian Curtis, from Joy Division... he LOVED Kraftwerk... so, BANG: New Order. And John Foxx Catch Connie Plank for Ultravox. Well, post-punk has many contacts with KW music. And the do it yourself punk concept is the same from electronic scene until now. Any e-artist can did it for yourself. My first contact with KW was Autobahn 7", in 1980. Then I got Ralf & Florian and Exceller 8. KW1 and KW2 were never released here in Brazil. So, the first experimental KW era is so important to me. Them Computerworld opened my brain and put me into the future I saw 16 years later. Actually you can see at live concerts from the 70´s that KW were much more jamming, more organic, and that´s a fantastic point of view for a "cold" band... peace Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:19:15 +0200 > From: johan.andersson(a)allers.aller.se > Subject: SV: [Kraftwerk] kRAFTWERK: then and now (and inbetween)(and > over the gap) > To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Filtre4Pole Wrote: ... in Tim Barr's and Pascal Bussy's books). > I will ever disagree: Kraftwerk *elite* attitude had not to be compared with > the punk attitude. Not the same world, and the punk emergence changed > nothing in the perception around Kraftwerk music (nor in R&F's mind)... > *btw* punks have never been really musicians nor artists *imho*, just ... > > IMHO wonderful things happened when some of the English punks f.ex. Gary Numan & John Foxx, heard KW:s music, suddenly The punks came from out of space, and Foxx even mentioned he thought Punk became all same and that it was a natural step to go electronic (punk concept: everyone can play) so I personally think there was a connection between the two music styles > > > > Filtre4Pole Wrote: ... What happened ? Nobody has ever been able > to explain that spectacular mutation. It will be always a *fascinating* > mystery for me ! I can't understand (after all perhaps I don't need to... > > > After what I've heard Ralf met four Aliens called wwrekaft or someting... ;-) Regards / Johan > > >

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re:[Kraftwerk] TDFS Vinyl
by John Shilcock 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

>>Kraftwerk Vinyl is out in Germany And I have just found out that it is available NOW in the UK. Sister Ray in London have received copies today at least. Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk

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album chatrs austria
by Georg Jajus 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Kraftwerk "Tour de France Soundtracks" drops from pos. 29 to pos. 61. Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie ===> "Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention." ( John Doe / 'Se7en' )

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kRAFTWERK: then and now (and inbetween)
by ian tyson 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Filtre4Pole said: So, you are one of those (rare?) early fans... who are still fans ;-) ian t said: >Have loved them since I bought the Vertigo double album (1972) in >1976 (I haden't heard Autobahn or Radio activity at this stage). > Filtre4Pole said: Interesting... I'm wondering: have you been really disappointed when you discovered the new and definitive electro-pop side of Kraftwerk ? or on the contrary, have you been amazed, feeling something like "wow! unbielivable, these guys are genius, better than I could imagine!..." ??? ;-) Certainly not disappointed, "wow! Unbelievable" would be more like the case. During my early teenage years (early seventies) there was bland pop music and there was rock music. When punk came along everything became less formal, more liberated and much more diverse. But prior to that it was mainly guitar-orientated ego-centric Americanised (usually pretentious) rock music, or else bubble gum pop. German groups like Faust, Can and Kraftwerk seemed much more interesting. Strangely, Tangerine Dream never quite grabbed my attention, so I can only conclude that the synthesiser sound was not the main attraction (Tangerine Dream were totally synthesised before KW). I remember hearing the single Autobahn and thinking "wow" but this was only one individual track, the rest of the Autobahn album was still quite avant-garde. It was not until TEE did I see the real genius. I think genius is easy to see in retrospect, but when something is truly new the difference between novelty and genius is not so obvious. The image of KW on the TEE cover was radical for its time, and The Man Machine even more so, because up till then all serious rock musicians had long hair etc. The punks emerged at the same time as the TEE album so everything was being challenged anyway. I would say that the approach of Tangerine Dream was more like the early 70's rock bands, more operatic and grand, whereas KW were more punk like (even though they were certainly not punks) with having a radical look and a more minimalist less grandiose approach to music. The fantasy/OTT romantic, sort of "Lord of the Rings" and "I will love you forever baby, subjects that the 70s rock bands dealt with contrasted heavily with the political and aggressive formats of the new punk bands. KW was neither of these things, but I think the "new wave" in music made them more accessible. It is really only after a period of time has gone by that one can really see that what you enjoyed at the time was actually innovative genius. To the KW fans that came later (such as yourself Mr Filtre4Pole) the KW legacy will already be acknowledged. I wonder if it is the case that the older members of the list find it easier to accept and enjoy the new album for what it is (genuine interest, I'm not trying to offend anyone in anyway!!). I don't recall any KW album getting rave reviews and declared "groundbreaking" at the time of its release. I think music that truly fits this description always receives a mixed reception at the time. In fact I would be worried if TDF Soundtracks was getting consistently brilliant reviews; it would suggest that it is predictable. ian t _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Happy Birthday, Ralf!
by KWNumbers 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Hey, maybe 15-20 years from now KW will do a version of "Vitamin", but from the point of view of a nursing home. They'll list all the pills they have to take in one day. Maybe it will be called "Techno Nursing Home" or "Techno Geriatric". Hey KW, great album. I'm a cyclist and nobody does an album like that. Ignore all the complaining. Let them put out a better album to show that they know how to do it better. -------Original Message------- From: volvo1971(a)att.net Sent: 08/20/03 08:36 AM To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Kraftwerk] Happy Birthday, Ralf! > > 57 years old and still got the funk! The album TDF is finally shipping here in the USA. Soon I can hear the entire Vitamin song instead of 30-second clips. >

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RE TDF Soundtracks What do you think
by ian tyson 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

ian t said: >When someone is held in high esteem and has created ground-breaking >material in >the past, they will inevitably release new material that will be >disappointing to other peoples expectations. Filtre4Pole said: This is not necessarily true: YES if the album isn't a "greatest" one, NO if it is better than expected... (and that's only ascertainable *after* and not *before*... anyway) ;-) OK, If I change my statemnet to "they will ALMOST inevitably release new material that will be >disappointing to other peoples expectations EVENTUALY". maybe we can agree >:o) ian t said: >TDF 2003 the single could >have been presented as a completely new song by simply not using the cover >art of their previous single and changing the title to something else >(Vuelta Espania perhaps). Filtre4Pole said: Noooooo! (and why not "Deutschland Tour"?) why changing title??? But you can't find better, mate! I wonder if you have any idea of what the epic Tour de France can actually represent... *sigh* Yes I think I do appreciate the wonder of the TDF. Much more than a sporting event, and a subject worthy of an entire KW album. What I was trying to say here is that KW could easily have bowed to pressure to show that they are recording new music, but thankfully they put music and the Tour before marketing. They could easily have been slated for having no new ideas. ian t said: >When KW were part of the Kraut Rock scene (in there own way) many fans >would >have been disappointed when Autobahn appeared. Filtre4Pole said: Sure ! :-) *lol* I'm afraid those early fans of pre-historic K' and 'choucroute rock' would have been disappointed for ever (*btw* is it possible they are still fans? hehe...) in fact since Kraftwerk became really Kraftwerk in 1974. Well I am. Have loved them since I bought the Vertigo double album (1972) in 1976 (I haden't heard Autobahn or Radio activity at this stage). Filtre4Pole said: >Then they cleverly chose the silence ...to emphase their own Legend ;-) Brilliant thought, very interesting! ian t _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

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American Nihilist Underground Society
by Luca Dassi 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

The abovementioned society posts on its website an "Happy Birthday" message for Ralf along with a review of TDF03. The link? www.anus.com of course. Ciao, Luca

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Posters and Tour Map
by Electram 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

Dear fans, The images of posters related to Barcelona 81 and Valencia 91 concerts are originally available at the following site: Collector's Corner EdiciÃ³n EspaÃ±ola - http://www.kraftwerkspain.com The Tour Map of 1975 drawed by Wolfgang FlÃŒr are originally available in the same site too. Marcelo Duarte Brasil

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Happy Birthday, Ralf!
by volvo1971＠att.net 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

57 years old and still got the funk! The album TDF is finally shipping here in the USA. Soon I can hear the entire Vitamin song instead of 30-second clips. Mike F

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