September 2002 - Kraftwerk - mailman.xmission.com

*Telepopmusi[K]*
by Jose 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

Listening to the track wich gives the name to the album,Genetic world,i think you could find many similarities with a famous KraftwerkÂ´s track... again. ;) Cheers.

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Re: Femme machine ( my final comment !!! )
by Oh Jay 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

From: omegaChance <omegaChance(a)firemail.de> > No one is going to waste time to do a study on only one band, get real. well ... people who write a book about kw , which could happen ( ;-) , do jus' this , mate !!! *BWG* ;-))) > That is one of the most asinine comments Ive heard lately. there's no need to get so hostile , mr. chance !!! *sigh* :-o anyway ... as this will be my final comment to this topic , please don't waste your time with further replies to this message of mine , as u certainly WON'T get a reply from me again , folx !!! p. s. @ all those of u , who still post html formatted messages to this list : PLEASE_STOP_IT , as it totally screws up the daily digests , fellows !!! :-o PLEASE get back to "plain text only" , as it's the ONLY format that is supported also in the daily digest mode of this list !!! however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: Femme machine
by Oh Jay 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

From: "Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media" <glenn(a)folkvord.net> > Music as a phenomenon in society has been studied in depth > many times everywhere. sure , it has , but i'm currently ONLY interested in the link between kw & their female listeners in this specific case , so GENERAL statistics of a certain country that's not the one i & the original questioner ( antje , if i recall right ??? ;-) come from , simply DOESN'T apply to me nor to her or ANY other male or female german kw fan !!! > I have read about this topic in specialist magazines in the past > and found an article in the American Keyboard magazine > that also mentioned it. well ... i highly suppose that the american keyboard magazine hasn't asked female german kw fans ( nor even german females in general !!! ) about what kind of music they like , so this article simply is of NO_IMPORTANCE to us in this specific case , sorry !!! > It's a common misunderstanding (and an easy misunderstanding to make, > I dont blame you :-) to take personal experiences as statistical info. fyi : i've NEVER said that my personal experiences are anythin' like "statistical info" of any kind , so i dunno where a misunderstandin' comes into play in this specific case , dear glenn !!! *sly_grin* ;-) i've jus' stated what i've experienced in my & my female friends' cases to *_ADD_* to this debate !!! ;-) nothin' more or less than this !!! *G+* ;-) > Looking at bigger surveys than those done by you among your friends, > I bet the results would be different. of course , but such a survey's result printed in an american keyboard magazine is of ABSOLUTELY_NO_VALUE_NOR_IMPORTANCE for us german kw fans ... no matter , if we are male or female - simply because i bet that NONE of us were asked , right !? *slyest_grin* ;-))) in other words : if ONLY american citizens were asked , it ONLY applies to them & if ONLY german citizens were asked , it ONLY applies to them etc. !!! ;-) > Also, a statement like "I saw many girls at the latest > Kraftwerk/TD/Jarre/Vangelis concert" does not necessarily prove that those > females are fans. They could be tagging along their boyfriend. damned right , glenn !!! *BWG* ;-))) > On the other hand, it is more difficult to spot female fans of any genre or > artist because: > > * Women are more than men able to enjoy / "be fans of" music without owning > CDs (ownership of physcial objects appeal more to men than women) > * Women tend to not "collect" things as much as men - collecting stuff is to > a large extent a male activity > * Women tend to communicate more than men on an emotional level and > therefore do not need so many visual aids (posters, merchandise, souvenirs) > as men - men are more visually inclined than women > * Women are often quiter than men and voice their appreciation for something > less than men in (subconcious) fear of being rejected for their preferences. > Men dont care if other men laugh at their preference for "geeky computer > music" these are indeed some interestin' "observations" !!! *another_sly_grin* ;-) > These things are based on sociological studies and apply *in general* > (exceptions exist) on a large scale. yes , but ONLY to those people in the country or countries they were actually made ( see my explanation above ) !!! *slyest_grin_again* ;-))) > You and your friends may not be like the above but then again, > you and your friends may not represent the entire population of a country. damned right , but as ABSOLUTELY_NOBODY "represents" the entire population of a country , it can ( or better to say MUST_!!! ) ONLY be seen as an example for ONE specific country , like america ( or the u. s. of a. , to be more exact ;-) , in your case !!! ;-) anyway ... as long as nobody points me into the direction of A_SPECIFIC_SURVEY about male & female kw fans from germany , glenn's example is of NO_USE for me & antje , because it simply DOESN'T apply to us german kw fans , sorry !!! however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: Femme machine
by Oh Jay 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

From: "Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media" <glenn(a)folkvord.net> > Music research shows that women generally prefer music with lyrics hm ... what kind of "music research" are u talkin' about here , glenn , as this is news to me & i like to have a source to verify it !!! can u provide us with a link or somethin' then ??? *pure_curiosity* > (with emphasis on *generally* - there are many exceptions). EXACTLY_!!! ;-) > Even if song lyrics talk about things of typical interest to men, > they are more likely to appeal to women than instrumental songs. sorry , but this simply doesn't make any sense to me , as i've witnessed with my own eyes that some women that i know are more attracted by a good melody they can hum along than by certain lyrics , of what kind soever !!! *G+* ;-) therefore i have to completely agree with my dear ( & of course female ;-) friend pat slade from the states here !!! *oh_jay_waves_very_friendly_over_to_pat* :-))) anyway ... as long as men & women like to listen to kw , there's nothin' wrong with them , imho !!! *hehehe* ;-))) btw : have u ever heard of a serial killer , who loves to listen to kw instead of ... erm ... marylin manson ( only for instance , of course !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) , fellows ??? *BWG* ;-))) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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glenn's discussion ... ;-)
by Oh Jay 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

glenn wondered : > So what *are* you talking about then Oh Jay? :-) fyi : i'm actually talkin' about "the link between kw & similar electronic music & their female listeners or even fans" , dear glenn !!! *G+* ;-) > My thread was about why females often seem to dislike > instrumental electronic music. > Since you insist that there is something special about > German females, what is your thread? reread my last message carefully & thoughroughly again & u MAY find it out , mate !!! *BWG* ;-))) btw : there's NOT_ONLY "somethin' special about german women" , but about WOMEN_IN_GENERAL ... & especially those of them , who like or even LOVE electronic music & more specifically kw !!! *VBS* :-))) that's all , i suppose !? *smirk* :o} however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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Kling Klang studio??
by Jose 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

http://www.kling-klang.dk/

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Re: Femme machine ( worx !!! ;-)
by Oh Jay 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

From: "Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media" <glenn(a)folkvord.net> > In general, German females are pretty much the same as females > in any other similar country. Their background, education, culture, > influences are to a large extent the same. *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) well ... dear glenn , it seems as if u've NEVER_EVER met a german female in your whole life ... no matter , if she's a kw fan or not !!! *hehehe* ;-))) > Beside, you say "link between kw & their female listeners", > but that is not what we are discussing, fyi : that's @ least what i am discussin' here , dear glenn !!! *BWG* ;-))) it seems like we both talk about two diff'rent aspects of the same thread then , but doesn't seem to understand , what the other person is actually talkin' about !!! *sigh* :-o so let's better close this topic , before even more misunderstandings occur then !!! *hopeful_look* > we (at least I am) are talking about *general female population* > and their listening habits. well ... i've NEVER talked about that , simply because this is a place for kw fans ... no matter , if male or female or from which country they came , so my main interest is to find out WHY certain females on this list like kw !!! *smirk* :o} anyway ... i suppose that this question was already answered by now !? ;-) > If a woman is already a KW listener, she it outside the demographic > we are talking about. So we are actually talking about "link between kw & > their potential female listeners" :-) that's what u might have thought ... until now , but that's EXACTLY where we obviously misunderstood each other , sorry !!! :-o > Again, I am not talking about *German* females! well ... 1.) a female german kw fan has asked the question , if she's the only female ( german ) kw fan on this list & WE found out that this is NOT the case , so 2.) we discuss , WHY females on this list or on similar lists like kw & maybe also other electronic music !!! ;-) > The article in Keyboards is NOT a survey, it was an interview > with a known musician who had observed that females in general > are not interested in "technological" music. may i ask u , who this "known musician" is , dear glenn ??? *pure_curiosity* > His observation is valid for the American female population WHY do u think that & WHAT are your reasons to "assume" or even "conclude" that ??? *indeed_VERY_CURIOUS_by_now* > ... and therefore supports the general notion that females > in Western countries are generally less interested in synth music than males. sorry , but i must admit that i'm indeed VERY_SCEPTICAL about this "assumption" or even "conclusion" , until i see MORE_THAN_JUS'_ONE study about it , who comes to this result !!! btw : so far , i haven't even seen ONE_!!! :-/ > It's not where you print it that matters, but where the survey was made. EXACTLY_!!! ;-) > when you analyze why they dont like this music, > you will find several factors of which one is "lack of lyrics" or > "lack of (good) melody". It can be argued that many (not all) females > do not "understand" a melody played by synths, > it should be sung by a person for them to appreciate it as a good melody. hm ... as kw ( unlike the "usual" techno track !!! ;-) have BOTH , "good lyrics" & "good melodies" , i really DON'T see , why ANY female would think that their music lacks "good lyrics" or "good melodies" , if they are VERY_CLEARLY_AUDIBLE_!!! *puzzled_look* sorry , but i really DON'T understand where u want to go with the above example , dear glenn !!! :-o > This is not so difficult to understand, u wish , man ... u wish !!! *sigh* :-o > The human brain works pretty much the same all over the world. > When it comes to who likes what kind of music, many factors > are important but since Germany and USA are pretty much the same > in a sociological sense (wether you like it or not, that is fact) > an American study of this matter would be highly valid for Germans. sorry , dear glenn , but if u would jus' take a closer look to the diff'rent music charts ( "top 40" ;-) of each country , u would actually see the diff'rence ... & don't even need a study to prove , what i still think is VERY_QUESTIONABLE to "assume" or even "conclude" !!! :-o however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Bad news for me, good news for one of you
by Beat Boy 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

omegaChance wrote: >There has to be a way to bypass...just say someone close to your >family >died and >you must attend the funeral, and go to the concert, and make the exam up. >They cant make you take it under those circumstances. Pat wrote: >I'm with Omega on this one. Their plans may have changed but yours > >haven't. Lie if you must, but if I had Kraftwerk tickets in hand and a >trip >planned, >ain't no way some professor's going to ruin it for me. Take it a day > >early and >get thee to the concert. Good luck!! Many thanks for your support but there is no posibility of doing nothing because I need those credits to pass to the next year (If I dont do that I'll be in a real trouble with my parents, especially my father, 1'90 cm and 140 kg of spanish fury is something you dont want to see close to you, despite the fact he pays mi appartment, bills etc...) I can say my grandmother or anyone died, but the registration day is 4 days later of the exam day, so I need to get those credits to achieve the minimun to pass later, yeah I cant do the exam later but not ready to registrate at time, I cant imagine nothing to avoid that, there's no posibility I can assure you I thinked a lot about it and thats it. Many thanks anyway _________________________________________________________________ MSN Fotos: la forma mÃ¡s fÃ¡cil de compartir e imprimir fotos. http://photos.msn.es/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: Kraftwerk digest, Vol 1 #296 - 11 msgs
by Beat Boy 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

>Beat Boy wrote: > >Very nice and cute idea but... > >Why "Ethiopian and African women in the DC area" are "the biggest fans of >Kraftwerk music"? Because they play KW your KW CD over and over? Isnt that >exactly the same as the rest of KW fans do? What makes them special? Just >curious >------------- >Of all the CD's I burn for the ladies, Kraftwerk is the one they play the >most. >The modern African bands they listen to use the synths as rhythms and the >melodies are similar. >And yes, they ARE special. >amir You post my questions and then post sentences wich dont answer to them, read it again and you will appreciate that. If you dont understand me I can explain my questions better, my english is a crap and this can be the cause. If you dont want to answer, it not so important, I was just curious and imagined something about their "way" of perceiving music based in some relevant thing or something interesting. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Fotos: la forma mÃ¡s fÃ¡cil de compartir e imprimir fotos. http://photos.msn.es/support/worldwide.aspx

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Shivaree
by Der Automat 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

Shivaree's 'John 2/14' -first single from the album 'Rough Dreams'- has a sound that seems to have been sampled from Kraftwerk's 'Tour de France'. DER AUTOMAT

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