October 2002 - Kraftwerk - mailman.xmission.com

Re: [Kraftwerk] Doubt
by Mige Iranzo 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

>Hello to all, > >Sorry by these question again, but we would like to register: >Which is the name of that game showed in Radioactivity video-clip? > Lol, thatÂ´s was my first question in this list... The game itÂ´s called Â´VanguardÂ´, and if iÂ´m not wrong itÂ´s an old 81' arcade from SNK, was ported to the Atari 2600 too. /\ /\ S T O P Â¯Â¯()Â¯Â¯ R A D I O A C T I V I T Y /\ Â¯Â¯ _________________________________________________________________ Charle con sus amigos online usando MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Paris shows further observations
by Mark J Stagg 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

Having seen 2 of the Paris shows (1st and last) I thought I'd stick my oar in and add a few further observations that no-one else seems to have picked up on, along with a couple of personal thoughts... APRES SHOW No beer, just wine, mineral water or champage at the bar... very civilised! INTRO MUSIC The familaiar warm-up music from previous tours (that low level computer "data" noise) has been replaced with a constantly-evolving pattern using the same sound as the "Antenna" home-page from www.kraftwerk.com. About 10 mins before KW came on, I saw the front-of-house guy set a DAT (or possibly minidisc) going, solo the signal on the desk to check the level in headphones, and then slowly fade up the track. Gotta say I quite like this... it could be the basis of a great new track. EXPO2000 Not just based on the Underground Resistance main mix, but also contains elements of the DJ Rolando mix (the opening arpeggaited riff), along with bits of KW's original (the "stab" riff, and the lead "string" melody, but sped-up to the new tempo). Topically, I don't think the phrases "Expo" or "2000" were used at all, though all the others were, particuarly "Planet Of Visions" which surely would be a more appropriate title now. There was also that "Germany/Detroit/so electric" stuff from the UR mixes. Curious how this is the most open KW have been in collaborative terms... recycling material from other peoples' remixes. They obviously like the whole Detroit/UR vibe a lot. NEON LIGHTS As reported, quite like the 1981 live version, i.e. faster than the original album take. It basically splits into 2 neat sections, the first with vox from Ralf (one verse in English, the next in German), then, after a small breakdown, the syncopated bass riff starts and the lead line meanders nicely above it. Great to hear them do this track, seemingly one of most fans' favourites, but to be honest I reckon they could have done a bit more with it. The rhythm is very rigid, and surely would lend itself to a nice shuffle-groove if you were to update it more completely. Just a thought... POCKET CALCULATOR Must be the funkiest song of the show. Taking off further from "The Mix" version, the rhythm is not always straight house-style, but often morphs into a great breakbeat-style groove, which together with the choppy stab-like synth, rocks like mad. After a verse in English, Ralf sings the rest in French. Must say that I didn't mourn the loss of the hand-held devices at all; I think the music and graphics more than make up for that, and also allow KW to kind of grow-old gracefully, not having to attempt to boogie down at the front any more. Did kind of miss Florian's occasional mad calculator soloing though! MUSIC NON STOP/CONSOLES On the final midnight show, I got a good opportunity to look at what they were actually doing onstage, as I was watching from the second balcony, and moved right down the side of as far as you could go. Besides the laptops, all of the consoles are the same size, but have subtle differences. Henning and Fritz's seem identical; a small musical keyboard to the right, and rows of switches and faders to the left, with Fritz making particular use of these, creating reverb and delay FX on the drums. They also appear to have some kind of jogwheel on the top left. Ralf's console has a more full-length keyboard across the whole of the front, while Florian's has the shorter keyboard but replaces the fader panel with some kind of green-lit LED-covered device showing text; I'm guessing that this is something to do with the famous "Robovox" unit spotted on previous tours. I really do believe that they are doing most of the mixing on-stage; the front-of-house guy only had a dozen faders pushed up, seemingly in stereo pairs, and I'm guessing that 8 of these are the straight stereo feeds from the 4 KWers onstage. When it was time to make their exit, an illuminated "pathway" on the floor at Florian's side lights up, guiding the guys away. On the first show, Florian and Fritz gave shy little waves, otherwise I didn't notice any of them acknowledge the audience in any way at all. Robots to the end! AND FINALLY... Afterwards, I was chatting to a couple of fans who I'd seen before at previous shows. One told me that he's spoken to Gunther(?) from KW's crew, who told him that they were taking the show to Japan and then to Australia in Dec and Jan. Must say that this makes sense, given that they were going to play Australia at the end of the last tour. When pressed about when they would be touring more fully, Gunther said "they have to finish the album first"! Whether this is a joke or not, I've no idea, but don't hold your breath. Cheers, Staggboy.

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Re: sell your BOOTLEGS elsewhere , please !!!
by Oh Jay 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

From: "Alex Brega" <nicolabrega(a)hotmail.com> > I think that I have all rights to ask for some money. if u want to SELL your BOOTLEG stuff - no matter , what it is !!! - PLEASE go to ebay or their likes , simply because this ISN'T the right place to SELL it & make some money of it from fellow fans !!! :-/ got the message ??? > Have you ever seen someone that is giving Man Machine red vynil for free ? fyi : the red vinyl edition of kw's "the man-machine" is AN_OFFICIALLY_LICENSED_PRODUCT , but what u are tryin' to SELL us are nothin' but fan made BOOTLEG cd-r's , which are - of course !!! - ***_NOT_***_OFFICIALLY_LICENSED_PRODUCTS_!!! :-o so it's PLAINLY_WRONG to compare such products with each other !!! :-/ PLEASE_GET_REAL again !!! 'nuff said for now !!! however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: RE : [Kraftwerk] Paris Luxemburg
by Petter Duvander 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

ma francais est pas très bien, mais I just can't seem to find where to download any mp3s on your site? anyone here who can direct me? / petter -----Original Message----- From: Gaël Morin <moringael(a)free.fr> To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:03:41 +0200 Subject: RE : [Kraftwerk] Paris Luxemburg I have 10s video and mp3 for paris on http://www.kraftwerkcenter.free.fr I want your record of Luxembourg please thank _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Recycling
by owlwatcher_974 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

-- On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:58:51 Alex Brega wrote: >My friend Giorgio "Reiter",has noticed that Brasilian Technopop site >is taking material all over the web,without asking. >He is the Italian KW-related "MONDOKRAFTWERK" site mainteiner and he has >never given his material as written in Technopop comics section. >What kind of courtesy could be if they even have asked him permission to >publish ? I think it is not so correct. omeone has written me,asking if I want to share my Paris recording on the >web : have patience,but after 7+7 hours of train to reach the place >and about 500 Euros spent in order to see KRAFTWERK, I think that I >have all rights to ask for some money. Alex, I cannot beileve that you write in the same letter how you think it is wrong for the technopop site to take material from all over the web and then say that you have the right to ask for money for an illegal recording of a Kraftwerk concert ... talk about hypocrisy!!! Only Kraftwerk have the right to ask for money for recordings of their concerts. Alex you are just as bad, if not far worse, than you accuse the technopop site of being. ____________________________________________________________ Watch a championship game with Elway or McGwire. Enter Now at http://champions.lycos.com

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Re:Kraftwerk Center ----> Paris Video!!!
by Gunnar Wess 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

I always get the message: "A generell error has occured". What's wrong? TIA (Thanks in advance) Gunnar Original Message: Message: 4 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ga=EBl_Morin?= <moringael(a)msn.com> To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:38:40 +0200 Subject: [Kraftwerk] Kraftwerk Center ----> Paris Video!!! Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com A little video of Paris's show (for the moment ;-) is on kraftwerk center (http://www.kraftwerkcenter.free.fr) An new comment about the midnight concert was also writted! Best regards __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de MÃ¶chten Sie mit einem GruÃ antworten? http://grusskarten.yahoo.de

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Re: Problems with servers
by Oh Jay 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

well ... either u share your files via soulseek ( NOT "soulkeeper" or "soulseeker" !!! ) , which can be downloaded @ http://www.slsk.org or via winmx , which can be downloaded @ http://www.winmx.com !!! ;-) imho , those two file sharin' programs are the best options for mass file sharin' , because icq or kazaa is still very frail to be infected with viruses / worms & other rather malicious stuff !!! :-o otoh , u can also set up a PRIVATE ftp server with LIMITED bandwith & ONLY allow a small number of people to access it @ the same time , which can be done by givin' individual passwords to each user , who first have to ask u via e-mail for a permission to actually access your private ftp server @ a specific date & durin' a set time period !!! ;-) btw : this later option worx very well for my friends & me so far !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: Re: [Kraftwerk] Recycling - and making money
by Petter Duvander 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

>>>Alex went on to say "have patience,but after 7+7 hours of train to reach the place and about 500 Euros spent in order to see KRAFTWERK, I think that I have all rights to ask for some money." >>This guy has told me that he wants 30 Euros for an "illegal" copy of one of those recent concerts (though he thinks he owns the rights to what he has recorded).... and this, following his above statement, makes me really laugh!! I think he is on a different planet! I think you're totally right! It would be truly laughable if it wasn't sad. / petter (oh, and please have the agreed amount wired to me by the end of next week for writing this ;)

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Re: [Kraftwerk] New Album & Concerts
by kraftwerk＠gmx.net 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

> Has KW ever been to Canada? I dont remember anytime (maybe in 1975...) > I think they have been in Vancouver in 1975 - just take a look at the Map: http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/curios.php (at the bottom, upper left map) Greetz, Jan -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. GÃ¼nstige DSL- & Modem/ISDN-Tarife!

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Re: as "man" became "machine" ( again ;-) ...
by Oh Jay 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

From: Enrique Correa <ENRIQUEC(a)heraeusmtd.com> > KW were amongst the few who envisioned a computer world, > and yet, spent years just trying to catch up to it. very well said , enrique !!! ;-) ... or in other words : "the (r)evolution has eaten its forefathers !!!" :-o btw : that's also the main reason , why "co-werkers" like mr. bartos & mr. flÃ¼r are simply not needed any longer !!! :-/ what kw needs right now are simple "engineers" like mr. hilpert & mr. schmitz !!! :-o however ... many greetinx , oh jay , who's currently also thinkin' about a vacation in australia next january !!! *BWG* ;-))) *~\^/~*

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