Since the first two copies of "What Time Was Love LSOM 3" have been sent out, I thought I'd ask a couple of questions about the tracks: (1) Has anyone finally settled the question of the legitimacy of "Love Trance" yet? For example, whose voice is it who says: "penetration seven minutes" (sounds like Scott Piering a bit) and who is the Japanese-sounding vocalist? Does anyone know? Also, does the track sound like it could have been made by the equipment Trancentral would have had in 1989? (2) Why was the single mix of "Madrugada Eterna" (aka the Italian club mix) never released fully? I'm presuming that at some point the intention was for the KLF's late 1989 career to go something like this: KSTJ is a hit, White Room OST is a hit album, No More Tears released as a Christmas '89 single, Chill Out released as their "experimental" 2nd KLF album at the dawn of the new decade, "Last Train" fully released at the same time, Madrugada Eterna released as a spring 1990 single, and finally the White Room movie video released instead of "Waiting". Out of all of those scenarios, I think "ME" being released and becoming a hit seems the most likely - it would have nestled happily alongside bands like ENIGMA in the charts at the same time. A shame, then, that it wasn't released ... (although if the KLF has pursued the above career, we might never have had Stadium House). What do people think? John
John Milne wrote:
I'm presuming that at some point the intention was for the KLF's late 1989 career to go something like this: KSTJ is a hit, White Room OST is a hit album, No More Tears released as a Christmas '89 single, Chill Out released as their "experimental" 2nd KLF album at the dawn of the new decade, "Last Train" fully released at the same time, Madrugada Eterna released as a spring 1990 single, and finally the White Room movie video released instead of "Waiting".
I absolutely don't think they had any masterplan. Remember B&J used to flit about from one latest idea to the next constantly changing direction and scrapping everything. In particular, Chill Out wasn't conceived and ambient house even "discovered" until the autumn of 1989 with the legendary Alex and Jimi DJ sets at Heaven and trancentral, so it can't have been part of a pre-Kylie plan. (Having said that, I absolutely agree that Madrugade Eterna is an excellent track, and I don't know why it wasn't released.) from what I can gather, it is the Illuminati who have the master plan, the conspiracy, the JAMs are on the side of chaos and deliberately eschew planing in favour of intuition. The JAMs don't need no master plan, the JAMs still have no master plan. cheers JUSTIFIED & ANCIENT [JAMS LP6] They're justified and they're ancient And they know what time is love They're justified and they're ancient Did they come from up above? Rockman he's just made of bricks And Kingboy lost his screws The JAMs don't need no Master Plan To do whatever, ever they can. JUSTIFIED & ANCIENT [CHOC ICE 1/KLF 99: "ALL BOUND FOR MU MU LAND"] JUSTIFIED & ANCIENT [KLF 7: "STAND BY THE JAMS"] They're justified and they're ancient And they drive an Ice Cream van They're justified and they're ancient With still no Master Plan KINGBOY'S DREAM [JAMS LP2] I ain't no dreamer, no Angry Young Man I know my past, and I need no plan -- Stuart Young, Michelle Ardern & Felix Ardern-Young (3) Live at: 42B, Sefton Ave, Grey Lynn, Auckland, NZ Phone: +64 (0)9 376 8100 say.map@ihug.co.nz Graphic and Web design, Web development and hosting: http://www.pixelandgrain.co.nz/ Stuey's personal website - a cobweb site: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/ Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and not of any of the organisations we are involved with.
Possibly. But then, after Brian Epstein died, the Beatles' didn't have a "masterplan" either (but they didn't use the fact as a basis for half their lyrics). Back to the KLF ... The "ME" track, of course, appears on the "KSTJ" CD single, which I think came out in August 1989 (a week after the 12" and 7"), and the KLF5R Orbital mix came out the next month and it actually mentions the upcoming JAMSLP5 - so "Chill Out" was certainly in the offing at that point. Also, "No More Tears" was planned as a Christmas single (according to press sheets, I think) - hardly the action of a band unconcerned with the vagaries of pop or hit singles. Basically, after a year of pissing money down the Sierra Nevadan drain, I think they just wanted to make money again - perhaps the commonest motivating force in all rock music. John -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces+john=highlandland.fsnet.co.uk@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces+john=highlandland.fsnet.co.uk@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Stuey and Michelle Sent: 20 October 2004 12:54 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Masterplan and myth - was Re: [KLF] Two more simple questions John Milne wrote:
I'm presuming that at some point the intention was for the KLF's late 1989 career to go something like this: KSTJ is a hit, White Room OST is a hit album, No More Tears released as a Christmas '89 single, Chill Out released as their "experimental" 2nd KLF album at the dawn of the new decade, "Last Train" fully released at the same time, Madrugada Eterna released as a spring 1990 single, and finally the White Room movie video released instead of "Waiting".
I absolutely don't think they had any masterplan. Remember B&J used to flit about from one latest idea to the next constantly changing direction and scrapping everything. In particular, Chill Out wasn't conceived and ambient house even "discovered" until the autumn of 1989 with the legendary Alex and Jimi DJ sets at Heaven and trancentral, so it can't have been part of a pre-Kylie plan. (Having said that, I absolutely agree that Madrugade Eterna is an excellent track, and I don't know why it wasn't released.) from what I can gather, it is the Illuminati who have the master plan, the conspiracy, the JAMs are on the side of chaos and deliberately eschew planing in favour of intuition. The JAMs don't need no master plan, the JAMs still have no master plan. cheers JUSTIFIED & ANCIENT [JAMS LP6] They're justified and they're ancient And they know what time is love They're justified and they're ancient Did they come from up above? Rockman he's just made of bricks And Kingboy lost his screws The JAMs don't need no Master Plan To do whatever, ever they can. JUSTIFIED & ANCIENT [CHOC ICE 1/KLF 99: "ALL BOUND FOR MU MU LAND"] JUSTIFIED & ANCIENT [KLF 7: "STAND BY THE JAMS"] They're justified and they're ancient And they drive an Ice Cream van They're justified and they're ancient With still no Master Plan KINGBOY'S DREAM [JAMS LP2] I ain't no dreamer, no Angry Young Man I know my past, and I need no plan -- Stuart Young, Michelle Ardern & Felix Ardern-Young (3) Live at: 42B, Sefton Ave, Grey Lynn, Auckland, NZ Phone: +64 (0)9 376 8100 say.map@ihug.co.nz Graphic and Web design, Web development and hosting: http://www.pixelandgrain.co.nz/ Stuey's personal website - a cobweb site: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/ Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and not of any of the organisations we are involved with. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
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The "ME" track, of course, appears on the "KSTJ" CD single, which I think came out in August 1989 (a week after the 12" and 7"), and the KLF5R Orbital mix came out the next month and it actually mentions the upcoming JAMSLP5 - so "Chill Out" was certainly in the offing at that point. Also, "No More Tears" was planned as a Christmas single (according to press sheets, I think) - hardly the action of a band unconcerned with the vagaries of pop or hit singles.
I think you are maybe reading too much between the lines. Does KLF5R really mention Chill Out? Or does it only mention JAMSLP5? I would imagine that JAMSLP5 would have been either a pure trance LP or more likely it was the new cat no of WROST - remember this was previously heralded as JAMSLP4, but WTILS was released as that no instead. Indeed info sheet 7 still refers to a forthcoming WROST saying that KLF8R is from this. Here's the relevant info sheet mentions... Info sheet 4 - Summer 1989 ---------------------------- We have now finished the film and the sound track. It will def' be called "The White Room". We hope to start showing it from August through til Christmas. The soundtrack L.P. will be out September. The first proper single from it will be out in late July, and be titled "Kylie Said To Jason". We also have a Christmas Record with Children's Choir (your worst fears will be realised). SAY: is the promised children's choir single really No More Tears - might it have been Go to Sleep? K.L.F. INFO SHEET 6. AUG/SEPT. 89. -------------------------------------------------- The next release will be JAMS LP4 - THE WHAT TIME IS LOVE STORY (25th Sept). This is a six-track, 40 minute mid-price LP. It's a sample of some of the illegal (it's in their karma) cover versions of everybody's favourite arm-waving-in-the-lasers track, that have been popping up all over Europe this year. Also included is a recording of the K.L.F.'s premier live performance at The Land of Oz on 31st July 1989. K.L.F. COMMUNICATIONS INFO. SHEET NO.7. DEC.1989 --------------------------------------------------------------------- LAST TRAIN TO TRANCENTRAL. THE KLF. KLF 008R. More from the forthcoming Motion Picture THE WHITE ROOM. Both the A and B side are radical remixes of the original which is yet to see the light of day. The A side is so literal it may be totally unlistenable to anybody who is neither a freight train enthusiast or flat on their backs and out of their heads. You have been warned. The B side is The KLF back in their Pure Trance, crashing the millenium, leaving it's predecessors "What Time Is Love" and "3a.m. Eternal" in the debris of the late eighties. CHILL OUT. THE KLF. JAMS LP5. CHILL OUT was recorded live on location at Trancentral (the spiritual home of The KLF). Don't bother trying to listen to this LP if you have neither first switched off the lights and then laid your body to rest on the floor. Hopefully then the trip will be complete. WARNING -- Drugs can seriously impair/improve your judgement. CHILL OUT will be out in early 1990. -- Stuart Young, Michelle Ardern & Felix Ardern-Young (3) Live at: 42B, Sefton Ave, Grey Lynn, Auckland, NZ Phone: +64 (0)9 376 8100 say.map@ihug.co.nz Graphic and Web design, Web development and hosting: http://www.pixelandgrain.co.nz/ Stuey's personal website - a cobweb site: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/ Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and not of any of the organisations we are involved with.
I think you are maybe reading too much between the lines. Does KLF5R really mention Chill Out? Or does it only mention JAMSLP5? I would imagine that JAMSLP5 would have been either a pure trance LP or more likely it was the new cat no of WROST - remember this was previously heralded as JAMSLP4, but WTILS was released as that no instead.
Interesting quotes from the info sheets! The 12" label of KLF 5R has a small asterisk beside the "Orbital Blue Danube" mix, and in the "OTHER DATA" section it says: "* FROM THE LP/JAMSLP 5 LIVE AT TRANCENTRAL". Okay, this may not be "Chill Out", but it's not the WROST either. The Orb mix, of course, has elements of what would eventually become "Chill Out", so is it possible back in September 1989 they were planning an ambient album called (and recorded) "Live at Trancentral" instead? Maybe even with Bill, Alex and Jimmy all together?
KLF8R is said to be part of the "White Room", according to the info sheet - but that may just mean the movie rather than the soundtrack (the b-side appears early on in the released promo version, but that movie was put together for German investors in 1991, I thought, for it features 1991-era tracks too).
I thought the soundtrack was definitely pulled after the lack of success with KSTJ. The 8R sleeve does mention the soundtrack on the back, like all other "Pure Trance" releases (including "Love Trance" and "Turn Up the Strobe") - but presumably the sleeves were actually printed back in 1988, for release, but 8R didn't come out until early 1990. In the "OTHER DATA" section, by the way, it says: "GO TO SLEEP", which was, of course, one of the tracks from the WROST - and arguably the original "Last Train to Trancentral" by another name?
Anyway, I've just about exhausted this topic. As far as the KLF's late 1989 career, and what KLF 8T was actually going to be, well, to paraphrase the Osmonds, I guess we'll never know.
John
Just to add a bit more to this, I remember from the edition of Record Collector that featured the KLF that they had a PURE TRANCE album planned (I don't have my photocopy to hand, but I think it was listed as KLF LP 1 in the RC discog.) - it's possible that it might have been this album they're referring to as LP5. I do agree with Stuey (and Michelle? ;-)) that B&J changed their minds at a moments notice, hence why there are several oddities in the Pure Trance series - especially the 'Sea/Pea Green' Pure Trance 5 that apparently made it into the shops, and then was replaced with the Salmon Pink edition...
-----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces+chris=k23productions.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces+chris=k23productions.com@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of John Milne Sent: 20 October 2004 19:00 To: say.map@ihug.co.nz; 'All bound for Mu-Mu Land.' Subject: RE: Masterplan and myth - was Re: [KLF] Two more simple questions
I think you are maybe reading too much between the lines. Does KLF5R really mention Chill Out? Or does it only mention JAMSLP5? I would imagine that JAMSLP5 would have been either a pure trance LP or more likely it was the new cat no of WROST - remember this was previously heralded as JAMSLP4, but WTILS was released as that no instead.
Interesting quotes from the info sheets! The 12" label of KLF 5R has a small asterisk beside the "Orbital Blue Danube" mix, and in the "OTHER DATA" section it says: "* FROM THE LP/JAMSLP 5 LIVE AT TRANCENTRAL". Okay, this may not be "Chill Out", but it's not the WROST either. The Orb mix, of course, has elements of what would eventually become "Chill Out", so is it possible back in September 1989 they were planning an ambient album called (and recorded) "Live at Trancentral" instead? Maybe even with Bill, Alex and Jimmy all together?
KLF8R is said to be part of the "White Room", according to the info sheet - but that may just mean the movie rather than the soundtrack (the b-side appears early on in the released promo version, but that movie was put together for German investors in 1991, I thought, for it features 1991-era tracks too).
I thought the soundtrack was definitely pulled after the lack of success with KSTJ. The 8R sleeve does mention the soundtrack on the back, like all other "Pure Trance" releases (including "Love Trance" and "Turn Up the Strobe") - but presumably the sleeves were actually printed back in 1988, for release, but 8R didn't come out until early 1990. In the "OTHER DATA" section, by the way, it says: "GO TO SLEEP", which was, of course, one of the tracks from the WROST - and arguably the original "Last Train to Trancentral" by another name?
Anyway, I've just about exhausted this topic. As far as the KLF's late 1989 career, and what KLF 8T was actually going to be, well, to paraphrase the Osmonds, I guess we'll never know.
John
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