OK say if Mr Weston had 2 million would that solve the problems with the analogy?
somehow i think you'd be just as selfish as everyone else on the planet and you'd spend it on yourself. new house, car, clear any debts or mortgage or whatever, etc etc etc and while it makes you happy - it doesn't actually do any real good for those in the world that actually need it - you might as well have burnt it all for all the good it'll do them
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I know we've gone over this many times, but I'm always happy to discuss it because I think each time we come up with more interesting views on it. My current stand point is that the main reason they burnt the million quid was just because they could! I think a lot of the other justifications and reasonings that they and other people have come up with may have been at the back of their minds at the time, or, more likely, they just came up with them afterwards to justify the whole thing. That said, I still believe it's a brilliant thing, and an astounding piece of art. It provokes an intense emotional response in people either way, which is precisely what great art always does. It calls into question the whole question of worth. I saw an exhibit recently which was just a blank canvas that the artist had sat and stared at for 1000 hours or something stupid like that. What is that worth? The manhours that the artist spent looking at it? Maybe if he'd been working instead he could've earnt say £10 an hour. So that makes it worth £10,000, if we're gonna be capitalist about it. The K Foundation's piece of art is worth £1,000,000 because they worked for that £1,000,000 instead of, say, sitting staring at a piece of card for 100,000 hours or spending that long painting a picture. I personally think it's one of the greatest artistic statements of the 20th Century. I think if Damien Hirst had done it, it would have got a lot more respect amongst the art community, as he's a recognised artist, and Bill and Jimi are just popstars, but that just shows up the snobbery in the art world. Thinking about the whole thing actually makes me feel better about the world. I find it morally enriching. Del
morally enriching ? art ? fucking hell you guys are really really sadly deluded i lament for the human race... but yeah i agree good response i would prefer the response of say perhaps a nice meal for someone who was hungry or a home for someone without __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 9 Dec 2004, at 01:23, Derek Knight wrote: I know we've gone over this many times, but I'm always happy to discuss it because I think each time we come up with more interesting views on it. My current stand point is that the main reason they burnt the million quid was just because they could! I think a lot of the other justifications and reasonings that they and other people have come up with may have been at the back of their minds at the time, or, more likely, they just came up with them afterwards to justify the whole thing. That said, I still believe it's a brilliant thing, and an astounding piece of art. It provokes an intense emotional response in people either way, which is precisely what great art always does. It calls into question the whole question of worth. I saw an exhibit recently which was just a blank canvas that the artist had sat and stared at for 1000 hours or something stupid like that. What is that worth? The manhours that the artist spent looking at it? Maybe if he'd been working instead he could've earnt say £10 an hour. So that makes it worth £10,000, if we're gonna be capitalist about it. The K Foundation's piece of art is worth £1,000,000 because they worked for that £1,000,000 instead of, say, sitting staring at a piece of card for 100,000 hours or spending that long painting a picture. I personally think it's one of the greatest artistic statements of the 20th Century. I think if Damien Hirst had done it, it would have got a lot more respect amongst the art community, as he's a recognised artist, and Bill and Jimi are just popstars, but that just shows up the snobbery in the art world. Thinking about the whole thing actually makes me feel better about the world. I find it morally enriching. Del _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
or a nuke for america.... __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 9 Dec 2004, at 11:01, PVC wrote:
i would prefer the response of say perhaps a nice meal for someone who was hungry or a home for someone without<
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The more I read his posts, I feel like I am pretty sure where his nickname "Trash" evolved from... ..::// Thomas Touzimsky A fanatic is one who cannot change his mind and will not change the subject.
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The more I read his posts, I feel like I am pretty sure where his nickname "Trash" evolved from...
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thats not well argued you div what argument school did you go to ? the one for retarded tomato's ? it is pathetic and quite amusing but ill answer it cos im tired and i need to make my self sleepy... ok i got two million right... firstly it is not selfish to clear ones debts or have somewhere to live... that is what everyone is doing... and essential because it would be hard to help people with nowhere to live and debts.... as to what percentage of money i would give to charity if i got 2 million pounds probably a bit i dunno... maybe five pounds ?? :-) i would get myself set up so i didnt have to work again and make sure it was earning interest so i could regularly help people rather than just giving it all away at the beginning that would be nonsensical... and its not necessarily charity that i would give to i may help people personally its not just organised charities that can help people you can do it yourself via activism, direct help etc... so to finish my perfect argument the klf are fucking stupid bastards art my arse... im sure it has sparked some great conversations but im sure the money could have done other better things if they were intent on throwing it *all* away why not just give it to someone and pretend you burnt it if you really want... saying all this - i believe money should be abolished... __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 9 Dec 2004, at 00:36, say.map@ihug.co.nz wrote: OK say if Mr Weston had 2 million would that solve the problems with the analogy?
somehow i think you'd be just as selfish as everyone else on the planet and you'd spend it on yourself. new house, car, clear any debts or mortgage or whatever, etc etc etc and while it makes you happy - it doesn't actually do any real good for those in the world that actually need it - you might as well have burnt it all for all the good it'll do them
well argued Jai, although there is the point that when money is spent by pop stars on stupid wasteful extravagent things or if they trash cars, hotel rooms or equipment, the money is still going back into society, whereas the KLFs fire didn't share the wealth around - the money was just gone.
thats not well argued you div what argument school did you go to ? the one for retarded tomato's ?
so to finish my perfect argument the klf are fucking stupid bastards art my arse... im sure it has sparked some great conversations but im sure the money could have done other better things if they were intent on throwing it *all* away why not just give it to someone and pretend you burnt it if you really
want...
Hey man, chill, it's ok, it's gonna be alright. Wanna hug? I'll put the kettle on.
ok ill have a hug are you good lookin ? ill have more... heheh awww yeah put the kettle on great idea just make sure you dont play none of dat dare shitty klf bollocks.. christ how can people still be on a list... oh .. just make the tea!! __ kwis
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just make sure you dont play none of dat dare shitty klf bollocks.. christ how can people still be on a list... oh .. just make the tea!! __
Oh wow! You're completely right. It's good you came along and put us straight. Phew. That could've been embarrassing for all concerned. Nothing worse than a group of likeminded people coming together to discuss things that interest them. I have seen the light. Let me burn all my KLF records (oops, no, sorry, better give them to charity) and follow you wherever you go. Which appears to be onto relatively quiet band mailing lists on the internet. Oh, the fun we'll have. Looks like the game's up people, how do I unsubscribe to this list again? Loving your work. Del
hehehe derek that had me larfin nice .... its only one shite band and after all you are a good bloke i think... have a good christmas guys... __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 9 Dec 2004, at 02:10, Derek Knight wrote:
just make sure you dont play none of dat dare shitty klf bollocks.. christ how can people still be on a list... oh .. just make the tea!! __
Oh wow! You're completely right. It's good you came along and put us straight. Phew. That could've been embarrassing for all concerned. Nothing worse than a group of likeminded people coming together to discuss things that interest them. I have seen the light. Let me burn all my KLF records (oops, no, sorry, better give them to charity) and follow you wherever you go. Which appears to be onto relatively quiet band mailing lists on the internet. Oh, the fun we'll have. Looks like the game's up people, how do I unsubscribe to this list again? Loving your work. Del _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
My copy of FFWD is sitting right next to Chill out and Space, I think Kwis in many ways is slagging of himself by slagging of the KLF,unless ofcourse he had very little to do with FFWD :-) ok fair enough, hes angry cause he hasnt been given the right credits. But why doesnt he put all his anger into making a great record? Oh, and I think Kwis should get out more, life is to short to sit at home and be miserable. -K.
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ok ill have a hug are you good lookin ? ill have more... heheh awww yeah put the kettle on great idea just make sure you dont play none of dat dare shitty klf bollocks.. christ how can people still be on a list... oh .. just make the tea!! __
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hey shut the fuck up you great nonce... i mean that in the nicest possible way.. but fuck you !!!! great first name by the way - same as mine.. ;-) that post was an answer to someone elses ignorant comments on another list and some cunt posted it here... the height of internet rudeness i may add... (we wont mention the klf suck dick post) i am NOT ANGRY OR MISERABLE!!!!!! actually i am now... hehe and actually i make records all the time so - errr... i guess i do get it out i just made one about the american elections called go back to bed america with loads of bill hicks snorting in it vaguely amusing and then press delete that was my goal.. well not really my goal was to laugh instead of cry at bushs second term.. they called me bitter and angry on the other list too... i dunno why .. i feel completely calm and fine.. (shrugs) in answer to your question... FFWD was mostly fripp it was mostly produced by me.. (and thomas fehlmann) i feel honoured to have worked with him you know (fripp not fehlmann) alex provided the cymbal noise in track 10 and the clocks and glass smashing... hehehehe fripp said it was the best thing he ever worked on thats gotta be bollocks though right... he is awesome... but saying all that shit i still fail to see why i should like the klf they are crap! almost as crap as the orb in fact... they are really scraping the barrel for some festering bile juice of rancid buffalo.. utter utter blatantly playing to the media and jumping on whatever shitty little concept they could muster im talking musically here... marketing wise they were awesome appears theyve done a good job on you lot anyway up until they burnt the cash of course i didnt give em a second thought after that i just thought they were twats damn i ranted on again i just want to feel tired its 11am and im still not tired mannnnn ugh.... xxx __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis *****************************
Well, ok so your not angry or misreable, then whats up with the attitude? I wouldnt log on to a forum for the Spice girls and tell all the members that Spice Girls Suck d#ck. Its even worse when you do that to people who have used hours and hard earned cash on digging up obscure records. Also, I checked out the Orb mailing list some time back, and its not a very nice list to be on, alot of swearing and retarded behaviour, something which this list so far has been lucky to escape, so if you hate the KLF so much, then I suggest you try a forum with bands that you like? May I recommend FOSL (Future sound of London) they have a track called the FAR OUT SON OF LUNG AND THE RAMBLINGS OF A MADMAN, if youll exuse the pun.... Thanks for the info on FFWD by the way, its a good record I think, even after your ramblings :-) didnt get the links at your webpage to work, but generally speaking Ive become abit tired of all the slagging of America, ofcourse they do have their problems (like many other countries), but the artistical need to make a point of that is well dated I think. -K.
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hey shut the fuck up you great nonce... i mean that in the nicest possible way.. but fuck you !!!! great first name by the way - same as mine.. ;-) that post was an answer to someone elses ignorant comments on another list and some cunt posted it here... the height of internet rudeness i may add... (we wont mention the klf suck dick post) i am NOT ANGRY OR MISERABLE!!!!!!
actually i am now... hehe and actually i make records all the time so - errr... i guess i do get it out i just made one about the american elections called go back to bed america with loads of bill hicks snorting in it vaguely amusing and then press delete that was my goal.. well not really my goal was to laugh instead of cry at bushs second term..
they called me bitter and angry on the other list too... i dunno why .. i feel completely calm and fine.. (shrugs)
in answer to your question... FFWD was mostly fripp it was mostly produced by me.. (and thomas fehlmann) i feel honoured to have worked with him you know (fripp not fehlmann) alex provided the cymbal noise in track 10 and the clocks and glass smashing... hehehehe
fripp said it was the best thing he ever worked on thats gotta be bollocks though right... he is awesome...
but saying all that shit i still fail to see why i should like the klf they are crap! almost as crap as the orb in fact... they are really scraping the barrel for some festering bile juice of rancid buffalo.. utter utter blatantly playing to the media and jumping on whatever shitty little concept they could muster im talking musically here... marketing wise they were awesome appears theyve done a good job on you lot anyway up until they burnt the cash of course i didnt give em a second thought after that i just thought they were twats
damn i ranted on again i just want to feel tired its 11am and im still not tired mannnnn ugh....
xxx __
kwis
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what attitude? you talk of dated ? and then talk of FSOL ? ironic name in my opinion... anyway fuck you lot __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 9 Dec 2004, at 12:35, Kristian Biong wrote: Well, ok so your not angry or misreable, then whats up with the attitude? I wouldnt log on to a forum for the Spice girls and tell all the members that Spice Girls Suck d#ck. Its even worse when you do that to people who have used hours and hard earned cash on digging up obscure records. Also, I checked out the Orb mailing list some time back, and its not a very nice list to be on, alot of swearing and retarded behaviour, something which this list so far has been lucky to escape, so if you hate the KLF so much, then I suggest you try a forum with bands that you like? May I recommend FOSL (Future sound of London) they have a track called the FAR OUT SON OF LUNG AND THE RAMBLINGS OF A MADMAN, if youll exuse the pun.... Thanks for the info on FFWD by the way, its a good record I think, even after your ramblings :-) didnt get the links at your webpage to work, but generally speaking Ive become abit tired of all the slagging of America, ofcourse they do have their problems (like many other countries), but the artistical need to make a point of that is well dated I think. -K.
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hey shut the fuck up you great nonce... i mean that in the nicest possible way.. but fuck you !!!! great first name by the way - same as mine.. ;-) that post was an answer to someone elses ignorant comments on another list and some cunt posted it here... the height of internet rudeness i may add... (we wont mention the klf suck dick post) i am NOT ANGRY OR MISERABLE!!!!!!
actually i am now... hehe and actually i make records all the time so - errr... i guess i do get it out i just made one about the american elections called go back to bed america with loads of bill hicks snorting in it vaguely amusing and then press delete that was my goal.. well not really my goal was to laugh instead of cry at bushs second term..
they called me bitter and angry on the other list too... i dunno why .. i feel completely calm and fine.. (shrugs)
in answer to your question... FFWD was mostly fripp it was mostly produced by me.. (and thomas fehlmann) i feel honoured to have worked with him you know (fripp not fehlmann) alex provided the cymbal noise in track 10 and the clocks and glass smashing... hehehehe
fripp said it was the best thing he ever worked on thats gotta be bollocks though right... he is awesome...
but saying all that shit i still fail to see why i should like the klf they are crap! almost as crap as the orb in fact... they are really scraping the barrel for some festering bile juice of rancid buffalo.. utter utter blatantly playing to the media and jumping on whatever shitty little concept they could muster im talking musically here... marketing wise they were awesome appears theyve done a good job on you lot anyway up until they burnt the cash of course i didnt give em a second thought after that i just thought they were twats
damn i ranted on again i just want to feel tired its 11am and im still not tired mannnnn ugh....
xxx __
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