Celebrate the Nun seem to have the same connection to Scooter as Underworld mark 1 (Underneath the Radar, etc) had with Underworld mark 2 (Born Slippy). Or even Brilliant with the KLF. The former were all "serious" bands (or as serious as Depeche Mode-ed pop groups can get) whereas the latter were all hugely successful because their members became a lot more free artistically over the intervening years. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Time Traveller <srbeardslee@yahoo.com>wrote:

where's the link stinger? :)

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I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics. I like his music even if it is all fun Techno. Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him before and i am spreading his music around to them now. Funny!!!

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I'm not here to defend Scooter (god knows) but most of B&J's "cultural references" were also ripped off from one single other source - "The Illuminatus Trilogy". If they'd cribbed all their in-jokes from Star Wars (for example) rather than Shea & Wilson's counterculture milestone, it would have been all the more obvious. In terms of proportionality, Scooter's KLF referencing is about the same as the KLF's Doctor Who refencing (i.e., about 5 percent of their total output). Don't worry, klfboy, you're not going to start a flamewar. Not with me, anyway. Personally, I think Scooter are for kids (literally - my class of 12-year-olds a few years ago loved them). And I've never really seen the point of all those Depeche Mode-ish bands. Even Depeche Mode themselves are dull after a couple of tunes (Vince's generally). I was merely saying, from my limited Youtube watching, that Celebrate the Nun's pop styling and songs reminded me on the same leap between Brilliant/KLF or Underworld 1 or Underworld 2. Or for that matter, pre-1989 Shamen and post-1989 Shamen. Nothing more. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:21 PM, klfboy _ <klfboy@hotmail.com> wrote:

Err... You mean that with scooter they had more artistic freedom to rip off another artist (not one but several, in fact, as they were stealing from everybody, without the wit and humour of B+J's cultural references)? The freedom to jump on another bandwagon, like they did with Celebrate The Nun, which was a version of DM and PSB? I've said many years ago why I don't like scooter, I don't want to repeat myself, neither want to start a flamewar, and music is just music, to each his own - but seriously, how long have they been going with almost the same sound, breakbeats, BPM counts, etc.? Like 16 years? At least with The KLF every release was different, and they knew when to stop. Thinking about it, even Ministry had that technopooo sound which was probably label-forced (as it was with Brilliant, a SAW-related band), but even they took a radical turn. Scooter just took it up where Celebrate The Nun stopped. Germany gave us many great electronic and pop bands - scooter is definitely not one of them. I tried to like them, I really tried, even thought about buying some of their K-related stuff. But I can't and I won't.

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Celebrate the Nun seem to have the same connection to Scooter as Underworld mark 1 (Underneath the Radar, etc) had with Underworld mark 2 (Born Slippy). Or even Brilliant with the KLF. The former were all "serious" bands (or as serious as Depeche Mode-ed pop groups can get) whereas the latter were all hugely successful because their members became a lot more free artistically over the intervening years. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Time Traveller wrote: > > > where's the link stinger? :) > > --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, Robert Stringer * wrote: > > > From: Robert Stringer > Subject: [KLF] Scooter, Celebrate the Nun, and the klf > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 1:05 AM > > > I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" > before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A > Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! > He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics. I like his music > even if it is all fun Techno. Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him > before > and i am spreading his music around to them now. Funny!!! > > -- > RMStringer > +++++++++++++++ > Published Photographer for Hire. > www.RMStringerPhotography.com > www.flickr.com/rmstringer > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF@mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF@mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > Celebrate the Nun seem to have the same connection to Scooter as Underworld mark 1 (Underneath the Radar, etc) had with Underworld mark 2 (Born Slippy).� Or even Brilliant with the KLF.� The former were all "serious" bands (or as serious as Depeche Mode-ed pop groups can get) whereas the latter were all hugely successful because their members became a lot more free artistically over the intervening years.

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Time Traveller <srbeardslee@yahoo.com>wrote:

where's the link stinger? :)

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I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics.� I like his music even if it is all fun Techno.�� Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him before and i am spreading his music around to them now.� Funny!!!

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This is the first reply I've sent from my iPhone - so bear with me, it's really a test! I remember there being a quote from Jimmy somewhere that said: "Ah, Scooter ... I'm quite fond of them, really ... ". And Bill has seen his work copied (for richer or poorer) since the Zoo Records days. His production work with Dave Balfe, for example, had a direct influence on the Smiths. So they both have quite a laisser-faire attitude (understandable really, and with the honourable exception of their press release about Wanda Dee) and I don't see why we can't have the same on here. As far as electronic music is concerned - I can't claim to be an expert on the state of play anymore. I've not really followed dance music since about 1997 - with the exception of the Boards of Canada and Lemon Jelly - following a Damascan gig at the Hacienda with Spiritualized. I became an indie kid (and then a middle-ager!) and the last dance 12" I bought was probably 2K. So, I can't really comment on Scooter. Other than to say, I don't think they're as popular now as they were in 2002 or 1996 (at least, in the UK). Anyway, my index finger hurts now! ;-). How there's not too many typing errors! John On 18 Oct 2010, at 22:03, Robert Stringer <rmstringer@gmail.com> wrote:

It is just funny or amazing, depending on how you look at it. Scooter have been putting out records for the last 16+ years and still have a huge following and sell out tours but with little or no one knowing them in USA. My friends love their stuff because it is new to them. I like the upbeat stuff as well. Fun to drive to. Perhaps had B&J not flaked out and went nuts, they would still be doing something of value to their fans as well? I dont see world peace anytime soon.. :-) I used to be a big club person and as such, still like the music lots. I can jam scooter and not have to deal with smoke or drugs or kids!!

I agree DM does get boring after a few traxx as well, but so does the ORB and KLF except for Chill Out. To be really honest, there is not much new music that is really that good at the moment IMO. I have to dig really hard to find somethign i like to get now days. TO me some of the new IDM/Future Pop bands such as Seabound and VnV are doing some of the best work but then again, they are just remixed 1980s industrial club music all polished up. At least their lyrics have some meaning.

More thoughts please, this is the best thread we have had in a while on this list! :-)

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM, John Milne <paranormalhandy@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not here to defend Scooter (god knows) but most of B&J's "cultural references" were also ripped off from one single other source - "The Illuminatus Trilogy". If they'd cribbed all their in- jokes from Star Wars (for example) rather than Shea & Wilson's counterculture milestone, it would have been all the more obvious. In terms of proportionality, Scooter's KLF referencing is about the same as the KLF's Doctor Who refencing (i.e., about 5 percent of their total output).

Don't worry, klfboy, you're not going to start a flamewar. Not with me, anyway. Personally, I think Scooter are for kids (literally - my class of 12-year-olds a few years ago loved them). And I've never really seen the point of all those Depeche Mode-ish bands. Even Depeche Mode themselves are dull after a couple of tunes (Vince's generally).

I was merely saying, from my limited Youtube watching, that Celebrate the Nun's pop styling and songs reminded me on the same leap between Brilliant/KLF or Underworld 1 or Underworld 2. Or for that matter, pre-1989 Shamen and post-1989 Shamen. Nothing more.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:21 PM, klfboy _ <klfboy@hotmail.com> wrote:

Err... You mean that with scooter they had more artistic freedom to rip off another artist (not one but several, in fact, as they were stealing from everybody, without the wit and humour of B+J's cultural references)? The freedom to jump on another bandwagon, like they did with Celebrate The Nun, which was a version of DM and PSB? I've said many years ago why I don't like scooter, I don't want to repeat myself, neither want to start a flamewar, and music is just music, to each his own - but seriously, how long have they been going with almost the same sound, breakbeats, BPM counts, etc.? Like 16 years? At least with The KLF every release was different, and they knew when to stop. Thinking about it, even Ministry had that technopooo sound which was probably label-forced (as it was with Brilliant, a SAW-related band), but even they took a radical turn. Scooter just took it up where Celebrate The Nun stopped. Germany gave us many great electronic and pop bands - scooter is definitely not one of them. I tried to like them, I really tried, even thought about buying some of their K-related stuff. But I can't and I won't.

Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:50:04 +0100 From: paranormalhandy@gmail.com To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Scooter, Celebrate the Nun, and the klf

Celebrate the Nun seem to have the same connection to Scooter as Underworld mark 1 (Underneath the Radar, etc) had with Underworld mark 2 (Born Slippy). Or even Brilliant with the KLF. The former were all "serious" bands (or as serious as Depeche Mode-ed pop groups can get) whereas the latter were all hugely successful because their members became a lot more free artistically over the intervening years. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Time Traveller wrote: > > > where's the link stinger? :) > > --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, Robert Stringer * wrote: > > > From: Robert Stringer > Subject: [KLF] Scooter, Celebrate the Nun, and the klf > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 1:05 AM > > > I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" > before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A > Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! > He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics. I like his music > even if it is all fun Techno. Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him > before > and i am spreading his music around to them now. Funny!!! > > -- > RMStringer > ++++++++++++ +++ > Published Photographer for Hire. > www.RMStringerPhotography.com > www.flickr.com/rmstringer > > > ----- Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF@mailman.xmission.com

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wrote:

where's the link stinger? :)

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I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics.� I like his music even if it is all fun Techno.�� Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him before and i am spreading his music around to them now.� Funny!!!

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Accidentally on purpose. ;-) On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:49 PM, jai <illitrate_23@mac.com> wrote:

"How there's not too many typing errors!" Oh the irony that the only one I noticed was in that final paragraph :-)

On 18 Oct 2010, at 22:56, John Milne wrote:

This is the first reply I've sent from my iPhone - so bear with me, it's really a test!

I remember there being a quote from Jimmy somewhere that said: "Ah, Scooter ... I'm quite fond of them, really ... ". And Bill has seen his work copied (for richer or poorer) since the Zoo Records days. His production work with Dave Balfe, for example, had a direct influence on the Smiths. So they both have quite a laisser-faire attitude (understandable really, and with the honourable exception of their press release about Wanda Dee) and I don't see why we can't have the same on here.

As far as electronic music is concerned - I can't claim to be an expert on the state of play anymore. I've not really followed dance music since about 1997 - with the exception of the Boards of Canada and Lemon Jelly - following a Damascan gig at the Hacienda with Spiritualized. I became an indie kid (and then a middle-ager!) and the last dance 12" I bought was probably 2K.

So, I can't really comment on Scooter. Other than to say, I don't think they're as popular now as they were in 2002 or 1996 (at least, in the UK).

Anyway, my index finger hurts now! ;-). How there's not too many typing errors!

John

On 18 Oct 2010, at 22:03, Robert Stringer <rmstringer@gmail.com> wrote:

It is just funny or amazing, depending on how you look at it. Scooter have been putting out records for the last 16+ years and still have a huge following and sell out tours but with little or no one knowing them in USA. My friends love their stuff because it is new to them. I like the upbeat stuff as well. Fun to drive to. Perhaps had B&J not flaked out and went nuts, they would still be doing something of value to their fans as well? I dont see world peace anytime soon.. :-) I used to be a big club person and as such, still like the music lots. I can jam scooter and not have to deal with smoke or drugs or kids!!

I agree DM does get boring after a few traxx as well, but so does the ORB and KLF except for Chill Out. To be really honest, there is not much new music that is really that good at the moment IMO. I have to dig really hard to find somethign i like to get now days. TO me some of the new IDM/Future Pop bands such as Seabound and VnV are doing some of the best work but then again, they are just remixed 1980s industrial club music all polished up. At least their lyrics have some meaning.

More thoughts please, this is the best thread we have had in a while on this list! :-)

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM, John Milne < <paranormalhandy@gmail.com> paranormalhandy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I'm not here to defend Scooter (god knows) but most of B&J's "cultural references" were also ripped off from one single other source - "The Illuminatus Trilogy". If they'd cribbed all their in-jokes from Star Wars (for example) rather than Shea & Wilson's counterculture milestone, it would have been all the more obvious. In terms of proportionality, Scooter's KLF referencing is about the same as the KLF's Doctor Who refencing (i.e., about 5 percent of their total output).

Don't worry, klfboy, you're not going to start a flamewar. Not with me, anyway. Personally, I think Scooter are for kids (literally - my class of 12-year-olds a few years ago loved them). And I've never really seen the point of all those Depeche Mode-ish bands. Even Depeche Mode themselves are dull after a couple of tunes (Vince's generally).

I was merely saying, from my limited Youtube watching, that Celebrate the Nun's pop styling and songs reminded me on the same leap between Brilliant/KLF or Underworld 1 or Underworld 2. Or for that matter, pre-1989 Shamen and post-1989 Shamen. Nothing more.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:21 PM, klfboy _ < <klfboy@hotmail.com> klfboy@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Err... You mean that with scooter they had more artistic freedom to rip off another artist (not one but several, in fact, as they were stealing from everybody, without the wit and humour of B+J's cultural references)? The freedom to jump on another bandwagon, like they did with Celebrate The Nun, which was a version of DM and PSB? I've said many years ago why I don't like scooter, I don't want to repeat myself, neither want to start a flamewar, and music is just music, to each his own - but seriously, how long have they been going with almost the same sound, breakbeats, BPM counts, etc.? Like 16 years? At least with The KLF every release was different, and they knew when to stop. Thinking about it, even Ministry had that technopooo sound which was probably label-forced (as it was with Brilliant, a SAW-related band), but even they took a radical turn. Scooter just took it up where Celebrate The Nun stopped. Germany gave us many great electronic and pop bands - scooter is definitely not one of them. I tried to like them, I really tried, even thought about buying some of their K-related stuff. But I can't and I won't.

Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:50:04 +0100 From: <paranormalhandy@gmail.com>paranormalhandy@gmail.com To: <klf@mailman.xmission.com>klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Scooter, Celebrate the Nun, and the klf

Celebrate the Nun seem to have the same connection to Scooter as Underworld mark 1 (Underneath the Radar, etc) had with Underworld mark 2 (Born Slippy). Or even Brilliant with the KLF. The former were all "serious" bands (or as serious as Depeche Mode-ed pop groups can get) whereas the latter were all hugely successful because their members became a lot more free artistically over the intervening years. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Time Traveller wrote: > > > where's the link stinger? :) > > --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, Robert Stringer * wrote: > > > From: Robert Stringer > Subject: [KLF] Scooter, Celebrate the Nun, and the klf > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 1:05 AM > > > I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" > before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A > Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! > He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics. I like his music > even if it is all fun Techno. Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him > before > and i am spreading his music around to them now. Funny!!! > > -- > RMStringer > +++++++++++++++ > Published Photographer for Hire. > <http://www.RMStringerPhotography.com/>www.RMStringerPhotography.com > <http://www.flickr.com/rmstringer>www.flickr.com/rmstringer > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > <KLF@mailman.xmission.com>KLF@mailman.xmission.com > <http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at <http://studio-nibble.com/>studio-nibble.com > >

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where's the link stinger? :)

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I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics.� I like his music even if it is all fun Techno.�� Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him before and i am spreading his music around to them now.� Funny!!!

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http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Scooter ;-) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Time Traveller <srbeardslee@yahoo.com>wrote:

who in the hell is scooter anyway... mu

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From: John Milne <paranormalhandy@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [KLF] Scooter, Celebrate the Nun, and the klf To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:51 AM

Accidentally on purpose. ;-)

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:49 PM, jai <illitrate_23@mac.com<http://mc/compose?to=illitrate_23@mac.com>

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wrote:

"How there's not too many typing errors!" Oh the irony that the only one I noticed was in that final paragraph :-)

On 18 Oct 2010, at 22:56, John Milne wrote:

This is the first reply I've sent from my iPhone - so bear with me, it's really a test!

I remember there being a quote from Jimmy somewhere that said: "Ah, Scooter ... I'm quite fond of them, really ... ". And Bill has seen his work copied (for richer or poorer) since the Zoo Records days. His production work with Dave Balfe, for example, had a direct influence on the Smiths. So they both have quite a laisser-faire attitude (understandable really, and with the honourable exception of their press release about Wanda Dee) and I don't see why we can't have the same on here.

As far as electronic music is concerned - I can't claim to be an expert on the state of play anymore. I've not really followed dance music since about 1997 - with the exception of the Boards of Canada and Lemon Jelly - following a Damascan gig at the Hacienda with Spiritualized. I became an indie kid (and then a middle-ager!) and the last dance 12" I bought was probably 2K.

So, I can't really comment on Scooter. Other than to say, I don't think they're as popular now as they were in 2002 or 1996 (at least, in the UK).

Anyway, my index finger hurts now! ;-). How there's not too many typing errors!

John

On 18 Oct 2010, at 22:03, Robert Stringer <rmstringer@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=rmstringer@gmail.com>> wrote:

It is just funny or amazing, depending on how you look at it. Scooter have been putting out records for the last 16+ years and still have a huge following and sell out tours but with little or no one knowing them in USA. My friends love their stuff because it is new to them. I like the upbeat stuff as well. Fun to drive to. Perhaps had B&J not flaked out and went nuts, they would still be doing something of value to their fans as well? I dont see world peace anytime soon.. :-) I used to be a big club person and as such, still like the music lots. I can jam scooter and not have to deal with smoke or drugs or kids!!

I agree DM does get boring after a few traxx as well, but so does the ORB and KLF except for Chill Out. To be really honest, there is not much new music that is really that good at the moment IMO. I have to dig really hard to find somethign i like to get now days. TO me some of the new IDM/Future Pop bands such as Seabound and VnV are doing some of the best work but then again, they are just remixed 1980s industrial club music all polished up. At least their lyrics have some meaning.

More thoughts please, this is the best thread we have had in a while on this list! :-)

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM, John Milne <<http://mc/compose?to=paranormalhandy@gmail.com> paranormalhandy@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=paranormalhandy@gmail.com>

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I'm not here to defend Scooter (god knows) but most of B&J's "cultural references" were also ripped off from one single other source - "The Illuminatus Trilogy". If they'd cribbed all their in-jokes from Star Wars (for example) rather than Shea & Wilson's counterculture milestone, it would have been all the more obvious. In terms of proportionality, Scooter's KLF referencing is about the same as the KLF's Doctor Who refencing (i.e., about 5 percent of their total output).

Don't worry, klfboy, you're not going to start a flamewar. Not with me, anyway. Personally, I think Scooter are for kids (literally - my class of 12-year-olds a few years ago loved them). And I've never really seen the point of all those Depeche Mode-ish bands. Even Depeche Mode themselves are dull after a couple of tunes (Vince's generally).

I was merely saying, from my limited Youtube watching, that Celebrate the Nun's pop styling and songs reminded me on the same leap between Brilliant/KLF or Underworld 1 or Underworld 2. Or for that matter, pre-1989 Shamen and post-1989 Shamen. Nothing more.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:21 PM, klfboy _ <<http://mc/compose?to=klfboy@hotmail.com> klfboy@hotmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=klfboy@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Err... You mean that with scooter they had more artistic freedom to rip off another artist (not one but several, in fact, as they were stealing from everybody, without the wit and humour of B+J's cultural references)? The freedom to jump on another bandwagon, like they did with Celebrate The Nun, which was a version of DM and PSB? I've said many years ago why I don't like scooter, I don't want to repeat myself, neither want to start a flamewar, and music is just music, to each his own - but seriously, how long have they been going with almost the same sound, breakbeats, BPM counts, etc.? Like 16 years? At least with The KLF every release was different, and they knew when to stop. Thinking about it, even Ministry had that technopooo sound which was probably label-forced (as it was with Brilliant, a SAW-related band), but even they took a radical turn. Scooter just took it up where Celebrate The Nun stopped. Germany gave us many great electronic and pop bands - scooter is definitely not one of them. I tried to like them, I really tried, even thought about buying some of their K-related stuff. But I can't and I won't.

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Celebrate the Nun seem to have the same connection to Scooter as Underworld mark 1 (Underneath the Radar, etc) had with Underworld mark 2 (Born Slippy). Or even Brilliant with the KLF. The former were all "serious" bands (or as serious as Depeche Mode-ed pop groups can get) whereas the latter were all hugely successful because their members became a lot more free artistically over the intervening years. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Time Traveller wrote: > > > where's the link stinger? :) > > --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, Robert Stringer * wrote: > > > From: Robert Stringer > Subject: [KLF] Scooter, Celebrate the Nun, and the klf > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 1:05 AM > > > I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" > before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A > Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! > He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics. I like his music > even if it is all fun Techno. Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him > before > and i am spreading his music around to them now. Funny!!! > > -- > RMStringer > +++++++++++++++ > Published Photographer for Hire. > <http://www.RMStringerPhotography.com/> www.RMStringerPhotography.com > <http://www.flickr.com/rmstringer> www.flickr.com/rmstringer > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > <http://mc/compose?to=KLF@mailman.xmission.com>KLF@mailman.xmission.com<http://mc/compose?to=KLF@mailman.xmission.com>> <http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at <http://studio-nibble.com/>studio-nibble.com > > >

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On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Time Traveller <<http://mc/compose?to=srbeardslee@yahoo.com> srbeardslee@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=srbeardslee@yahoo.com>> wrote:

where's the link stinger? :)

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I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics.� I like his music even if it is all fun Techno.�� Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him before and i am spreading his music around to them now.� Funny!!!

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I can't agree that they 'flaked out'. In true *rock star* style the KLF hit, with chilling precision and stunning accuracy, the fine balance of creating a demand for their music and bowing out of the scene. It's the epitome of 'not selling out'. It's why this conversation exists. I agree, this is a good thread. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Robert Stringer <rmstringer@gmail.com>wrote:

It is just funny or amazing, depending on how you look at it. Scooter have been putting out records for the last 16+ years and still have a huge following and sell out tours but with little or no one knowing them in USA. My friends love their stuff because it is new to them. I like the upbeat stuff as well. Fun to drive to. Perhaps had B&J not flaked out and went nuts, they would still be doing something of value to their fans as well? I dont see world peace anytime soon.. :-) I used to be a big club person and as such, still like the music lots. I can jam scooter and not have to deal with smoke or drugs or kids!!

I agree DM does get boring after a few traxx as well, but so does the ORB and KLF except for Chill Out. To be really honest, there is not much new music that is really that good at the moment IMO. I have to dig really hard to find somethign i like to get now days. TO me some of the new IDM/Future Pop bands such as Seabound and VnV are doing some of the best work but then again, they are just remixed 1980s industrial club music all polished up. At least their lyrics have some meaning.

More thoughts please, this is the best thread we have had in a while on this list! :-)

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM, John Milne <paranormalhandy@gmail.com>wrote:

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I'm not here to defend Scooter (god knows) but most of B&J's "cultural references" were also ripped off from one single other source - "The Illuminatus Trilogy". If they'd cribbed all their in-jokes from Star Wars (for example) rather than Shea & Wilson's counterculture milestone, it would have been all the more obvious. In terms of proportionality, Scooter's KLF referencing is about the same as the KLF's Doctor Who refencing (i.e., about 5 percent of their total output).

Don't worry, klfboy, you're not going to start a flamewar. Not with me, anyway. Personally, I think Scooter are for kids (literally - my class of 12-year-olds a few years ago loved them). And I've never really seen the point of all those Depeche Mode-ish bands. Even Depeche Mode themselves are dull after a couple of tunes (Vince's generally).

I was merely saying, from my limited Youtube watching, that Celebrate the Nun's pop styling and songs reminded me on the same leap between Brilliant/KLF or Underworld 1 or Underworld 2. Or for that matter, pre-1989 Shamen and post-1989 Shamen. Nothing more.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:21 PM, klfboy _ <klfboy@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Err... You mean that with scooter they had more artistic freedom to rip off another artist (not one but several, in fact, as they were stealing from everybody, without the wit and humour of B+J's cultural references)? The freedom to jump on another bandwagon, like they did with Celebrate The Nun, which was a version of DM and PSB? I've said many years ago why I don't like scooter, I don't want to repeat myself, neither want to start a flamewar, and music is just music, to each his own - but seriously, how long have they been going with almost the same sound, breakbeats, BPM counts, etc.? Like 16 years? At least with The KLF every release was different, and they knew when to stop. Thinking about it, even Ministry had that technopooo sound which was probably label-forced (as it was with Brilliant, a SAW-related band), but even they took a radical turn. Scooter just took it up where Celebrate The Nun stopped. Germany gave us many great electronic and pop bands - scooter is definitely not one of them. I tried to like them, I really tried, even thought about buying some of their K-related stuff. But I can't and I won't.

Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:50:04 +0100 From: paranormalhandy@gmail.com To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Scooter, Celebrate the Nun, and the klf

Celebrate the Nun seem to have the same connection to Scooter as Underworld mark 1 (Underneath the Radar, etc) had with Underworld mark 2 (Born Slippy). Or even Brilliant with the KLF. The former were all "serious" bands (or as serious as Depeche Mode-ed pop groups can get) whereas the latter were all hugely successful because their members became a lot more free artistically over the intervening years. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Time Traveller wrote: > > > where's the link stinger? :) > > --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, Robert Stringer * wrote: > > > From: Robert Stringer > Subject: [KLF] Scooter, Celebrate the Nun, and the klf > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 1:05 AM > > > I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" > before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A > Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! > He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics. I like his music > even if it is all fun Techno. Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him > before > and i am spreading his music around to them now. Funny!!! > > -- > RMStringer > +++++++++++++++ > Published Photographer for Hire. > www.RMStringerPhotography.com <http://www.rmstringerphotography.com/> > www.flickr.com/rmstringer > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF@mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF@mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > Celebrate the Nun seem to have the same connection to Scooter as Underworld mark 1 (Underneath the Radar, etc) had with Underworld mark 2 (Born Slippy).� Or even Brilliant with the KLF.� The former were all "serious" bands (or as serious as Depeche Mode-ed pop groups can get) whereas the latter were all hugely successful because their members became a lot more free artistically over the intervening years.

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Time Traveller <srbeardslee@yahoo.com>wrote:

where's the link stinger? :)

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I guess that i had forgotten that Scooter used to be "Celebrate The Nun" before he was Scooter. I used to love "Will you Be There" and She A Secretary" both were great traxx. I read the Wiki article and was floored!! He gives lots of props to the KLF in lots of his lyrics.� I like his music even if it is all fun Techno.�� Not a lot of my friends have ever heard him before and i am spreading his music around to them now.� Funny!!!

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