So everyone shuts up for a while, no-one gives a shit and war continues. Achievement is? Andrew On Wednesday 30 October 2002 3:25 pm, Jonathan Wakely wrote:

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 06:20:18AM -0500, TheMgnt@aol.com wrote:

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The cards _should_ be in bookshops, according to the press stories.

If anyone comes across these please remember to advise the list. :)

I got a pack last night at the Silent Protest launch - I'll post more details another time (cards are at home, I'm at work)

There are only 1000 packs - 50 or so were given away last night and 10 will be posted to the names Bill picked at random. I'm not sure how many balloons were released, but doesn't returning one mean you get a pack of cards? I don't know how many will be left for the shops!

----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew McCombe <andrew@euperia.com> To: <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [KLF] Fwd: [Snuggles] KLF war protest

So everyone shuts up for a while, no-one gives a shit and war continues. Achievement is?< Bill gets more money to burn - lol

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 08:12:09PM +0000, Andrew McCombe wrote:

So everyone shuts up for a while, no-one gives a shit and war continues.

Achievement is?

Bill gets publicity in TimeOut, the NME, various online music rags. His vanity publishing house Penkiln-Burn gets to branch out into playing cards. What were you expecting, global nuclear disarmament? Someone did say at the talk that silence is usually an indication of acceptance or complicity. Bill agreed but said he wanted to see if he could turn that on its head on this occasion. He's also said in all the interviews that he knows that noone in a position to do anything about stopping the war will ever listen to him, so instead of talking to a brick wall he might as well be silent. Besides, your point is only valid if noone gives a shit. If you're silent for a day at work it will be noticed, and if you're protesting against the war you might be able to convince a few apathetic people that it's not a good idea and garner more support for the protest. Are you really surprised Bill's involved in a project that seems pointless? Where've you been all these years? A few years ago did you say "The K Foundation make a mockery of the Turner Prize, noone gives a shit and puffed-up overrated self-congratulatory art prizes continue" ? "K Cera Cera is released, noone gives a shit, war continues" Bill wants to make art, that will possibly make the world a better place. Call me a pinko leftist commie fag if you will, but I think anything that opposes war is a good thing, however ineffective. Jon -- "When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift

Sadam is a terrorist and needs to be stopped. IF we don't take him out, He will be the next one to destroy something. WE should have finished the job 10 years ago! Then we would not be in this position. Bin Ladden was made by the US to stop Russia in the 70s, by The US, WE make them and then we take them down. We made Sadam in the early 80s. Was is a game. Make them and the tear them down when they fall from grace....Japan in WW2 should I say more. England is our Biggest Friend. Don't be such Pacifist. U know Bombs in cars and such...Yall had this shit long before we did. Now it is time to KICK SOME ASS> RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif -----Original Message----- From: klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of PVC@PositiveVoid.co.uk Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:48 AM To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Fwd: [Snuggles] KLF war protest i have 5 packs they are six pounds each (this will be verified by anyone who attended) plus p+p the sets i have have an extra card (being the invitation card to the marx memorial library presentation) mail me off list tim ----- Original Message ----- From: <TheMgnt@aol.com> To: <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [KLF] Fwd: [Snuggles] KLF war protest

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The cards _should_ be in bookshops, according to the press stories.

If anyone comes across these please remember to advise the list. :)

-paul

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Nick King <nickwking@ntlworld.com> writes

Just thought I'd let ya all know that there's an article on Bill & his playing cards in this week's NME

http://www.nme.com/artists/25330.htm http://www.nme.com/artists/photos/photo/20614.htm http://www.nme.com/news/103363.htm Former KLF man BILL DRUMMOND launched his "silent protest" against war in the Middle East at the MARX MEMORIAL LIBRARY in east LONDON last night (October 29). In a brief 30-minute talk in front of an invited audience of 50 competition winners, Drummond outlined his reason for staging the protest which involves staying silent for 24 hours and using a pack of 52 cards with slogans such as "Hello", "Yes", "No", "Tea", "Pint", "Where Is The Lavatory?", "You Look Great" and "Because It’s Stupid" to communicate. He said it was fuelled by a sense of silently standing by while the world slips into war in the aftermath of last year’s September 11 attacks. "It felt like we were gradually slipping into something, in the same way things happened in Germany in the 1930’s; you can see what’s happening but you can’t do anything about it. As an individual, you stand silently by while it all happens. "I thought that silence thing, maybe you can turn it on its head, and thought, ‘I know, I’ll be silent for a year’. Then realised of course I wouldn’t be able to do it. So I decided to try a day. And if 365 people all do a day, it’ll add up to a year." The talk was interrupted by Mark Manning, aka Zodiac Mindwarp, who heckled for the first ten minutes telling Drummond, who he wrote a book with about a trek to the North Pole, to shut up, before dropping a glass and storming out of the hall. Each of the audience members were given a pack of cards as they left, and a further event was held at The Foundry bar nearby, with 1,000 helium-filled balloons being released by artist Tracey Sanders-Wood, who attached copies of the cards to each balloon with a number for anyone finding it to call. Anyone who finds a balloon and contacts her will be sent a pack of silent protest cards. Only 1,000 packs have been produced, and when challenged at the balloon- release later in the evening over where the £6 cost per pack will be going, Drummond retorted: "I keep it! I have six kids to feed and clothe, and there is a warning on the side of the pack which says no money from the sale of these cards goes to charity." One person at the event asked how much it would cost to buy the six-foot black canvas with "Silence" painted on in white, underlined with yellow, which had acted as a backdrop during his talks, which Drummond said would set him back £2,000. Drummond, who began his second attempt at the 24-hour silence at midnight last night, told NME.COM that it was "incredibly difficult" to do, but he hoped that it would spread and become a wider protest. "I’m not trying to be Bob Geldof about it, I’m not somebody that’s born to attempt to lead. But I like the idea that this might trigger things off in other people." NME.COM's Alan Woodhouse is staging his own Silent Protest today. To find out how he fared, see next week’s issue of NME. Published: 30-10-2002-13-24 http://www.nme.com/news/103332.htm http://www.nme.com/artists/48093.htm http://www.nme.com/news/1773.htm

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:59:06 -0600, RMStringer wrote:

Sadam is a terrorist and needs to be stopped. IF we don't take him out, He will be the next one to destroy something. WE should have finished the job 10 years ago! Then we would not be in this position. Bin Ladden was made by the US to stop Russia in the 70s, by The US, WE make them and then we take them down. We made Sadam in the early 80s. Was is a game. Make them and the tear them down when they fall from grace....Japan in WW2 should I say more. England is our Biggest Friend. Don't be such Pacifist. U know Bombs in cars and such...Yall had this shit long before we did. Now it is time to KICK SOME ASS>

I hope we don't get too much off topic here but if you (correctly) write that the US "did" the terrorists themself why the heck don't they try to LEARN form that instead of starting yet another war??? cu Adrian -- Adrian Gschwend @ netlabs.org ktk [a t] netlabs.org ------- Free Software for OS/2 and eCS http://www.netlabs.org