Hi, everyone, I just spotted something interesting whilst watching "The White Room". In fact, I've suspected it for a while, but not checked until now . Immediately after Jimmy's scene in the scrap yard, the soundtrack plays a version of "Last Train to Trancentral" that I've never heard before. It cuts into the song just after the first trademark trill, when the drums thump at the end. It sounds like the Pure Trance version, but overlaying it are chords and keyboard parts from "Go To Sleep". I'm making a big assumption here, but I wonder if this is actually a segment of KLF 8T (i.e., the original ORIGINAL "Last Train to Trancentral")? Bare in mind, the Pure Trance mix we have on the CD single is technically "Remix 2" from KLF8R. Another minute or so into the film, Bill and Jimmy are parked beside a roaring fire. The music playing now IS definitely "Go to Sleep". However, again it differs from the version we're all aware of. The verse is the "lust has not left me" one - but the chorus that follows is twice the length of the mix from the Demos. Maxine sings "Go to Sleep" firstly on her own, and THEN the choir come in and sing it all over again. From the unreleased 12" mix of "Go To Sleep", maybe? Sorry if this all seems appalling trainspotter-y, but with so many different unreleased mixes and even titles for "LTTT" in 1988-89, I thought it might spark a discussion in the group. Or at least make us all dig out our bootleg videos and mpegs again! Thanks, John
----- Original Message ----- From: "john MILNE" <john@highlandland.fsnet.co.uk> To: <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: [KLF] KLF 8T - where are you?
Immediately after Jimmy's scene in the scrap yard, the soundtrack plays a version of "Last Train to Trancentral" that I've never heard before. It cuts into the song just after the first trademark trill, when the drums thump at the end. It sounds like the Pure Trance version, but overlaying it are chords and keyboard parts from "Go To Sleep". I'm making a big assumption here, but I wonder if this is actually a segment of KLF 8T (i.e., the original ORIGINAL "Last Train to Trancentral")? Bare in mind, the Pure Trance mix we have on the CD single is technically "Remix 2" from KLF8R.
Haven't heard it, but I don't think it is the original. A couple of weeks/days?? ago someone posted a pressrelease from 8R, and it said that "this is a completely reworking of the original, which haven't surfaced yet", or something like that. Could it be "Go To Sleep Instrumental", "E-Train" or "The Sheriff of Mu Mu County"?? I don't think the original sounded like anything released from the PT-series. Could the "Original" and the "Benio" version's be related????????? Ulrik
At 19:52 04/07/2003, you wrote:
It cuts into the song just after the first trademark trill, when the drums thump at the end. It sounds like the Pure Trance version, but overlaying it are chords and keyboard parts from "Go To Sleep". I'm making a big assumption here, but I wonder if this is actually a segment of KLF 8T (i.e., the original ORIGINAL "Last Train to Trancentral")? Haven't heard it, but I don't think it is the original. A couple of weeks/days?? ago someone posted a pressrelease from 8R, and it said that "this is a completely reworking of the original, which haven't surfaced yet", or something like that. Could it be "Go To Sleep Instrumental", "E-Train" or "The Sheriff of Mu Mu County"??
that film version (or the few seconds that we're lucky to hear of it) sounds to me like a work-in-progress, something in between "go to sleep" and "lttt". lttt is basically a stripped-down version of "go to sleep" with some reverb effects and sheep noises over it. this one is the same but with more "go to sleep" elements left in (e.g. the bass line), that's why i think it's something that was recorded between the two. it could well be 008T "e-train to trancentral". the name "e-train" suggests it would be some form of acid house-like track, probably something to cash in on shoom, madchester etc, rather than a beat-less ambient track. needless to say i'd really like to hear the full length version of said track. there's also evidence that mixes of other JAMSLP4 white room tracks exist - for example a few seconds of a (superior) remix of the "white room" song form part of the out-take which on bootlegs is known as the "primal megamix". finally, "chill out" also contains further variations of the lttt track, in "trancentral lost in my mind" there's yet another version that's none of the KLF008R versions.
Could the "Original" and the "Benio" version's be related?????????
what "benio" version? if you are referring to "benio over and out" it's a much later mix, from '91. back in the day, i wrote to the good old po box 283 address and asked about this. cress was kind enough to reply - she wrote that they gave that name to the mix because it was the last thing they recorded/mixed at benio ("the old trancentral"). but all the pure trance stuff was probably recorded and mixed at benio too (most of the sleeves say "recorded at trancentral", don't they?) so pretty much all of the tracks mentioned are "benio" versions in one way or another. cheers Robert
I think part of the answer can be found if you compare Jamslp6 (white room) and the unreleased soundtrack. All lyrics by Bill, Arnold and Maxine from JamsLP6 is a subset of the soundtrack-versions, except one little part: "The Last Train" sung by Maxine in LTTT (lp-version). Did Bill and Jimmy really drag Maxine into the studio for this simple line (it's only backingvocals!!), or did they already have the part lying around???? The only new vocal om JAMSLP6 are the one from Black Steel, Bello, and Ricardo, everithing else is sampled from old klf-songs, or other records. Ulrik
At 18:40 05/07/2003, you wrote:
soundtrack-versions, except one little part: "The Last Train" sung by Maxine in LTTT (lp-version). Did Bill and Jimmy really drag Maxine into the studio for this simple line (it's only backingvocals!!), or did they already have the part lying around???? The only new vocal om JAMSLP6 are the one from Black Steel, Bello, and Ricardo, everithing else is sampled from old klf-songs, or other records.
good point, and i don't think even bello contributed anything? there could well be an original lttt with some vocals on it (just like the original KLF005T 3am has some vocals from maxine, but only 3 lines or so). when is that "e-train" version of the white room movie from? if JAMSLP4 "white room" was finished before 1989, it's likely to be later in 1989 as there are updated versions of "church of the klf" for example. KLF008R was pressed up in november or december 1989, right? it is possible that they started re-recording and remixing of some of the canned JAMSLP4 tracks shortly after its cancelled release. on the contrary, drummond admitted in an interview that JAMSLP6 was a rush job put together in early 1991 after "3am" was a number one, as they just realised they had a massive hit and didn't have an album to be released on the back of that hit. no wonder JAMSLP6 wasn't a very good album. (imho, i should perhaps add) very confusing, all this! cheers Robert
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