Ebay curios and curioser
Some thoughts ... Isn't it rather dangerous that KLF fans seem to be getting a bit of a reputation in e-bay circles (a very limited amount of people, admitedly) for buying counfeit (or at least suspicious) goods for huge amounts of money? The arguments about the www.brandnew.co.uk mix was just the tip of the iceberg. Things like "This is What the KLF is About" video, "Lost Sounds of Mu 2" and "White Room Soundtrack" regularly go for quite large amounts of money. Everyone knows they're bootlegs - but bid like crazy anyway. Even I'm guilty of that, with the "Pure Trance" CD album, that turned up on e-bay a few weeks ago (I bid $150 but didn't win). Two weeks later, I got an unsolicited e-mail from an e-bay member, offering me another copy (not through e-bay) for the same amount - $150. When I e-mailed back saying I might bid if he put it up for auction, he replied that he would put it up as "buy it now" for $150! It was then I finally e-mailed him saying that I now believed it was a bootleg, and therefore completely worthless (other than the cost of the CDR, paper for the sleeve, and the five minutes spent burning it). He never replied to that one. I'm sure fans of other groups don't bid huge amounts for a bootleg 7" of Nirvana's "Love Buzz" or the Beatles' "Yesterday and Today" on CDR (but maybe I'm wrong). I sometimes wonder if there's a group of about four or five bootleggers around the world ("The Five"?), who have access to all the real KLF rarities, and just churn out another copy whenever they want a new house. Cynical and over-exaggerated, I know - but shouldn't KLF fans make a stand against these bootlegs (particularly when the e-bayers in question seem to be taking the piss) BY SIMPLY NOT BUYING THEM? Of course, this whole situation is partly due to the rumours and legends that surround Our Favourite Band, and partly due to the fact Our Favourite Band are old fools, who seem to believe that driving round the M25 (yeah! London! Centre of the Universe!) playing out-dated techno-rock (the Black Smoke Organisation are a bit 1997, really, aren't they?) is more interesting than a time when their music was on every radio in the UK and they didn't have grey hair or scatalogical mates. Therefore, they do not re-release their back catalogue - indeed, seem to hold their fans in contempt. Without doubt, the fact that they are prepared to watch people spend hundreds of pounds/Euros/dollars/yen etc. on records that cost a fraction of that when first released (they will know of the prices their records go for now, for sure), and STILL refuse to even considera re-release of some of their back catalogue, just goes to show that they are probably, deep down, self-obsessed berks. On the other hand, it's a free country, and people can what they like, I suppose. Now ... where's that copy of "Turn up the Strobe" I have in the attic ...? ;-) John PS - Yes, I know, I know, there's a war on. And this what we're fighting for ... http://www.newamericancentury.org/
i think a lot of this is for people who have not discovered the sources of these bits of material such as black room demo's (which i believe have nothing to do with KLF) so they are bidding for something they cant get elsewhere. jon Doe ----- Original Message ----- From: John Milne <Highlandland@btopenworld.com> To: <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:06 AM Subject: [KLF] Ebay curios and curioser
Some thoughts ...
Isn't it rather dangerous that KLF fans seem to be getting a bit of a reputation in e-bay circles (a very limited amount of people, admitedly) for buying counfeit (or at least suspicious) goods for huge amounts of money? The arguments about the www.brandnew.co.uk mix was just the tip of the iceberg. Things like "This is What the KLF is About" video, "Lost Sounds of Mu 2" and "White Room Soundtrack" regularly go for quite large amounts of money. Everyone knows they're bootlegs - but bid like crazy anyway. Even I'm guilty of that, with the "Pure Trance" CD album, that turned up on e-bay a few weeks ago (I bid $150 but didn't win). Two weeks later, I got an unsolicited e-mail from an e-bay member, offering me another copy (not through e-bay) for the same amount - $150. When I e-mailed back saying I might bid if he put it up for auction, he replied that he would put it up as "buy it now" for $150! It was then I finally e-mailed him saying that I now believed it was a bootleg, and therefore completely worthless (other than the cost of the CDR, paper for the sleeve, and the five minutes spent burning it). He never replied to that one.
I'm sure fans of other groups don't bid huge amounts for a bootleg 7" of Nirvana's "Love Buzz" or the Beatles' "Yesterday and Today" on CDR (but maybe I'm wrong). I sometimes wonder if there's a group of about four or five bootleggers around the world ("The Five"?), who have access to all the real KLF rarities, and just churn out another copy whenever they want a new house. Cynical and over-exaggerated, I know - but shouldn't KLF fans make a stand against these bootlegs (particularly when the e-bayers in question seem to be taking the piss) BY SIMPLY NOT BUYING THEM? Of course, this whole situation is partly due to the rumours and legends that surround Our Favourite Band, and partly due to the fact Our Favourite Band are old fools, who seem to believe that driving round the M25 (yeah! London! Centre of the Universe!) playing out-dated techno-rock (the Black Smoke Organisation are a bit 1997, really, aren't they?) is more interesting than a time when their music was on every radio in the UK and they didn't have grey hair or scatalogical mates. Therefore, they do not re-release their back catalogue - indeed, seem to hold their fans in contempt. Without doubt, the fact that they are prepared to watch people spend hundreds of pounds/Euros/dollars/yen etc. on records that cost a fraction of that when first released (they will know of the prices their records go for now, for sure), and STILL refuse to even considera re-release of some of their back catalogue, just goes to show that they are probably, deep down, self-obsessed berks.
On the other hand, it's a free country, and people can what they like, I suppose.
Now ... where's that copy of "Turn up the Strobe" I have in the attic ...? ;-)
John
PS - Yes, I know, I know, there's a war on. And this what we're fighting for ...
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
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i think a lot of this is for people who have not discovered the sources of these bits of material such as black room demo's (which i believe have nothing to do with KLF) so they are bidding for something they cant get elsewhere.
They have... http://www.klf.de/home/interview.php3?partner=Mark%20Bailey --- Thomas Touzimsky "Some millennia, you should better stay in bed."
ok, some key changes ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Touzimsky <thomas@klf.de> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [KLF] Ebay curios and curioser
i think a lot of this is for people who have not discovered the sources of these bits of material such as black room demo's (which i believe have nothing to do with KLF) so they are bidding for something they cant get elsewhere.
They have... http://www.klf.de/home/interview.php3?partner=Mark%20Bailey
--- Thomas Touzimsky
"Some millennia, you should better stay in bed."
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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 08:06 am, John Milne wrote:
playing out-dated techno-rock (the Black Smoke Organisation are a bit 1997, really, aren't they?)
maybe, but has there really been anything produced since then that was _really_ any good? (god i sound old)
and STILL refuse to even considera re-release of some of their back catalogue, just goes to show that they are probably, deep down, self-obsessed berks.
this may or may not be true - but we still idolise them - who's more the berk? the berks or the berks who follow them :) :) -- --- count the questions on one hand you don't ask me what i planned strike me down should have asked what went wrong strike me down should have stayed away too long - "lightning field" - sneaker pimps -- --------------------------------------------------- --- jai nelson http://www.illitrate.co.uk jai@illitrate.co.uk
playing out-dated techno-rock (the Black Smoke Organisation are a bit 1997, really, aren't they?)
maybe, but has there really been anything produced since then that was _really_ any good? (god i sound old)
I still count Leftfield's "Rhythm & Stealth" as a ground breaking release that had nothing to compare it to in 2000. Moving from the progressive house genre to whatever you want to call it. A quite cold and techno-logical album, yet it has its warming moments with "El Cid" and "Swords" and is still unreached by today's artists. (and the Phat Planet killer bass line of course - try that one at full volume)
- "lightning field" - sneaker pimps
Sneaker Pimps fan ? :-) --- Thomas Touzimsky "Some millennia, you should better stay in bed."
On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 10:21 pm, Thomas Touzimsky wrote:
playing out-dated techno-rock (the Black Smoke Organisation are a bit 1997, really, aren't they?)
maybe, but has there really been anything produced since then that was _really_ any good? (god i sound old)
I still count Leftfield's "Rhythm & Stealth" as a ground breaking release that had nothing to compare it to in 2000.
yeah, but it's still not as good as their first album which was 5 years earlier
(and the Phat Planet killer bass line of course - try that one at full volume)
all leftfield tracks just _have_ to be listened to at full volume, as close to the subwoofer as it's possible to get :)
- "lightning field" - sneaker pimps
Sneaker Pimps fan ? :-)
yeah :) but again, they've not been able to produce anything as good as their first album (although this might have more to do with them missing Kelli Dayton's vocals - saying that, her solo album was totally disapointing) -- Jai Nelson jai@illitrate.co.uk --- But Eeyore was saying to himself, "This writing business. Pencils and what-not. Over-rated, if you ask me. Silly stuff. Nothing in it."
I still count Leftfield's "Rhythm & Stealth" as a ground breaking release that had nothing to compare it to in 2000.
yeah, but it's still not as good as their first album which was 5 years earlier
Well, that's not the point of the discussion, as we were talking about post 1997 releases... ;-)
(and the Phat Planet killer bass line of course - try that one at full volume)
all leftfield tracks just _have_ to be listened to at full volume, as close to the subwoofer as it's possible to get :)
Preferably on a free highway.
Sneaker Pimps fan ? :-)
yeah :) but again, they've not been able to produce anything as good as their first album (although this might have more to do with them missing Kelli Dayton's vocals - saying that, her solo album was totally disapointing)
Yep. "Becoming X" is by far their best album. Splinter has its weak tracks, while Bloodsport got much better again. Still I miss Kelli Ali's vocals on it. Her own solo album is not bad, but the first half of it is far superior to the second half. As we are already on the topic of groundbreaking albums - "Becoming X" is in my opinion the original trip hop album. Massive Attack's "Mezzanine" was released later, and their prior albums were not really what I would call trip hop. --- Thomas Touzimsky "Some millennia, you should better stay in bed."
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