Everybody who has an opinion on what is and isn't on-topic, or just what is generally acceptable on this list, should look here: http://www.studio-nibble.com/lists/guidelines.html These are Lazlo's own guidelines, and even though he no longer actively moderates this list, he is still the kind provider of the service we all use, and as such HIS opinions are the ones we need to bow to most. And hey people, if you disagree with what Lazlo's posted, don't come back ranting to the list with 500 words of hyperbole over freedom of expression or whatever. Just say to yourself "those guidelines don't apply to me, I'm special" and continue as you always have. We don't expect any better from you anyway. Michael