http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago)referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips.
Is this post in response to something?......Is there any thread history to this? ________________________________ From: Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, 9 September 2012, 19:51 Subject: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago) referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
I think this was just something that Adam found from discogs, not an ongoing thread. Pressing plants would not do such a small run (3-20), but usually at least 100 is the minimum. Of course, first doing 5-6 test pressing and then discarding the actual pressing is possible. But, what the guy says at discogs about ME test pressings having different cat number is bullshit (at least what I have understood). Test pressing is testing the final plates and vinyl quality, so test pressings and final run should always have same cat number. There are some cases where cat number or parts of it have been scratched off, as you can see in quite many KLF records but that's usually because of misspelling or mistake. But not like ETERNA1 -> KLF011T. But I also found some old discussions supporting 011 cat: http://bit.ly/QKkrMW (http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20030702.100651.01460354.ca.html) Can anyone confirm this? There are also other curious thing at discogs: http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 Backwards? Matrix / Runout: 1A 1 ANRETE? Is it like mirrored pressing plate? anttil. On 14.9.2012 0:51, Len Goody wrote:
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> *To:* klf@mailman.xmission.com *Sent:* Sunday, 9 September 2012, 19:51 *Subject:* [KLF] Madrugada Eterna
http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 <http://www.discogs.com/user/ZWOL2> Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago) referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T <http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna/release/106611> ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips.
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Not sure how this reverse press came about, probably a mispress. Interestingly this is one sided and is the A side. Tim Richards [pvc] sold one a few years back on ebay, also a reverse mispress, but he stated that that only played the full club mix. So that may have been the B plate. As Eterna 1 is meant to be 3 tracker that would make some kind of sense. Here's the original discussion from the list... http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20040917.101353.a8da1f7f.en.html Maybe Tim could shed some more light on these mysterious slabs of vinyl? Over to you PVC >>>> ________________________________ From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 6:22 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna I think this was just something that Adam found from discogs, not an ongoing thread. Pressing plants would not do such a small run (3-20), but usually at least 100 is the minimum. Of course, first doing 5-6 test pressing and then discarding the actual pressing is possible. But, what the guy says at discogs about ME test pressings having different cat number is bullshit (at least what I have understood). Test pressing is testing the final plates and vinyl quality, so test pressings and final run should always have same cat number. There are some cases where cat number or parts of it have been scratched off, as you can see in quite many KLF records but that's usually because of misspelling or mistake. But not like ETERNA1 -> KLF011T. But I also found some old discussions supporting 011 cat: http://bit.ly/QKkrMW (http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20030702.100651.01460354.ca.html) Can anyone confirm this? There are also other curious thing at discogs: http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 Backwards? Matrix / Runout: 1A 1 ANRETE? Is it like mirrored pressing plate? anttil. On 14.9.2012 0:51, Len Goody wrote:
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> *To:* klf@mailman.xmission.com *Sent:* Sunday, 9 September 2012, 19:51 *Subject:* [KLF] Madrugada Eterna
http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 <http://www.discogs.com/user/ZWOL2> Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago) referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T <http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna/release/106611> ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips.
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It is most likely that both reverse records were made from the original lacquer plates used to create the stampers. Check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTPKCtdhSA <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTPKCtdhSA&feature=related> &feature=related At 10 mins long it is worth a watch all the way through but the essential part is between 6.30 - 7.00 mins. Lacquers are usually discarded but they might be able to produce a few reverse copies before being ruined. Before I sold my copy I was able to visually confirm that it was a perfect reverse of the original ETERNA1 record (or at least one side of it) Clearly the record listed on Discogs is the "other side" also taken from the lacquer. My guess is that (much like the wonderful coloured vinyls) they were produced by someone at the plant with a good eye for rare records and what would be so deliciously unique that he / she could shift it easily. A great collector's item, with or without Bill and Jimmy's knowledge / permission. In the spirit of Mu Liberate & Communicate Love Peace & Happiness _____ From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Tim Sent: 15 September 2012 19:11 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna Not sure how this reverse press came about, probably a mispress. Interestingly this is one sided and is the A side. Tim Richards [pvc] sold one a few years back on ebay, also a reverse mispress, but he stated that that only played the full club mix. So that may have been the B plate. As Eterna 1 is meant to be 3 tracker that would make some kind of sense. Here's the original discussion from the list... http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20040917.101353.a8da1f7f.en.html Maybe Tim could shed some more light on these mysterious slabs of vinyl? Over to you PVC >>>> From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 6:22 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna I think this was just something that Adam found from discogs, not an ongoing thread. Pressing plants would not do such a small run (3-20), but usually at least 100 is the minimum. Of course, first doing 5-6 test pressing and then discarding the actual pressing is possible. But, what the guy says at discogs about ME test pressings having different cat number is bullshit (at least what I have understood). Test pressing is testing the final plates and vinyl quality, so test pressings and final run should always have same cat number. There are some cases where cat number or parts of it have been scratched off, as you can see in quite many KLF records but that's usually because of misspelling or mistake. But not like ETERNA1 -> KLF011T. But I also found some old discussions supporting 011 cat: http://bit.ly/QKkrMW (http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20030702.100651.01460354.ca.html ) Can anyone confirm this? There are also other curious thing at discogs: http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 Backwards? Matrix / Runout: 1A 1 ANRETE? Is it like mirrored pressing plate? anttil. On 14.9.2012 0:51, Len Goody wrote:
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> *To:* klf@mailman.xmission.com *Sent:* Sunday, 9 September 2012, 19:51 *Subject:* [KLF] Madrugada Eterna
http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 <http://www.discogs.com/user/ZWOL2> Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago) referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T <http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna/release/106611> ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips.
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According to my ebay records, someone with the username 'hanky23' bought the unique reverse pressing from Tim for £510 back in September 2004. This of course was in the days when winning bidders were public knowledge....nowadays of course its all private. I wonder if hanky23 still owns it, or whether it has been sold on since then? Does any list member currently have this in their collection? ________________________________ From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 19:10 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna Not sure how this reverse press came about, probably a mispress. Interestingly this is one sided and is the A side. Tim Richards [pvc] sold one a few years back on ebay, also a reverse mispress, but he stated that that only played the full club mix. So that may have been the B plate. As Eterna 1 is meant to be 3 tracker that would make some kind of sense. Here's the original discussion from the list... http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20040917.101353.a8da1f7f.en.html Maybe Tim could shed some more light on these mysterious slabs of vinyl? Over to you PVC >>>> From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 6:22 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna I think this was just something that Adam found from discogs, not an ongoing thread. Pressing plants would not do such a small run (3-20), but usually at least 100 is the minimum. Of course, first doing 5-6 test pressing and then discarding the actual pressing is possible. But, what the guy says at discogs about ME test pressings having different cat number is bullshit (at least what I have understood). Test pressing is testing the final plates and vinyl quality, so test pressings and final run should always have same cat number. There are some cases where cat number or parts of it have been scratched off, as you can see in quite many KLF records but that's usually because of misspelling or mistake. But not like ETERNA1 -> KLF011T. But I also found some old discussions supporting 011 cat: http://bit.ly/QKkrMW (http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20030702.100651.01460354.ca.html) Can anyone confirm this? There are also other curious thing at discogs: http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 Backwards? Matrix / Runout: 1A 1 ANRETE? Is it like mirrored pressing plate? anttil. On 14.9.2012 0:51, Len Goody wrote:
Is this post in response to something?......Is there any thread history to this?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> *To:* klf@mailman.xmission.com
*Sent:* Sunday, 9 September 2012, 19:51
*Subject:* [KLF] Madrugada Eterna
http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 <http://www.discogs.com/user/ZWOL2> Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago) referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T <http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna/release/106611> ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips.
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Well, the one on discogs is mine :) ________________________________ From: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 23:03 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna According to my ebay records, someone with the username 'hanky23' bought the unique reverse pressing from Tim for £510 back in September 2004. This of course was in the days when winning bidders were public knowledge....nowadays of course its all private. I wonder if hanky23 still owns it, or whether it has been sold on since then? Does any list member currently have this in their collection? ________________________________ From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 19:10 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna Not sure how this reverse press came about, probably a mispress. Interestingly this is one sided and is the A side. Tim Richards [pvc] sold one a few years back on ebay, also a reverse mispress, but he stated that that only played the full club mix. So that may have been the B plate. As Eterna 1 is meant to be 3 tracker that would make some kind of sense. Here's the original discussion from the list... http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20040917.101353.a8da1f7f.en.html Maybe Tim could shed some more light on these mysterious slabs of vinyl? Over to you PVC >>>> ________________________________ From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 6:22 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna I think this was just something that Adam found from discogs, not an ongoing thread. Pressing plants would not do such a small run (3-20), but usually at least 100 is the minimum. Of course, first doing 5-6 test pressing and then discarding the actual pressing is possible. But, what the guy says at discogs about ME test pressings having different cat number is bullshit (at least what I have understood). Test pressing is testing the final plates and vinyl quality, so test pressings and final run should always have same cat number. There are some cases where cat number or parts of it have been scratched off, as you can see in quite many KLF records but that's usually because of misspelling or mistake. But not like ETERNA1 -> KLF011T. But I also found some old discussions supporting 011 cat: http://bit.ly/QKkrMW (http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20030702.100651.01460354.ca.html) Can anyone confirm this? There are also other curious thing at discogs: http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 Backwards? Matrix / Runout: 1A 1 ANRETE? Is it like mirrored pressing plate? anttil. On 14.9.2012 0:51, Len Goody wrote:
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> *To:* klf@mailman.xmission.com
*Sent:* Sunday, 9 September 2012, 19:51
*Subject:* [KLF] Madrugada Eterna
http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 <http://www.discogs.com/user/ZWOL2> Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago) referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T <http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna/release/106611> ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips.
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Thanks Tim Ok so to clarify, the 'mispress' on discogs is the A-side 2 track single sided reverse pressing (1A 1 ANRETE), which presumably plays backwards the A SIDE from the original ETERNA 1 test press. http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 (The A side of ETERNA 1 had the Club Mix edit and the Ambient House mixes.) The vinyl pressing that PVC sold in 2004 was the B SIDE reverse test press which played just one track, a backwards version of the Full Club Mix, and therefore presumably the runout groove would have read 1B 1 ANRETE. (The B side of ETERNA 1 had just the Full Club Mix) Sounds like there is a missing entry in discogs for 1B 1 ANRETE that needs to be filled ! ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com>; All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 19:33 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna Well, the one on discogs is mine :) From: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 23:03 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna According to my ebay records, someone with the username 'hanky23' bought the unique reverse pressing from Tim for £510 back in September 2004. This of course was in the days when winning bidders were public knowledge....nowadays of course its all private. I wonder if hanky23 still owns it, or whether it has been sold on since then? Does any list member currently have this in their collection? From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 19:10 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna Not sure how this reverse press came about, probably a mispress. Interestingly this is one sided and is the A side. Tim Richards [pvc] sold one a few years back on ebay, also a reverse mispress, but he stated that that only played the full club mix. So that may have been the B plate. As Eterna 1 is meant to be 3 tracker that would make some kind of sense. Here's the original discussion from the list... http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20040917.101353.a8da1f7f.en.html Maybe Tim could shed some more light on these mysterious slabs of vinyl? Over to you PVC >>>> From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 6:22 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna I think this was just something that Adam found from discogs, not an ongoing thread. Pressing plants would not do such a small run (3-20), but usually at least 100 is the minimum. Of course, first doing 5-6 test pressing and then discarding the actual pressing is possible. But, what the guy says at discogs about ME test pressings having different cat number is bullshit (at least what I have understood). Test pressing is testing the final plates and vinyl quality, so test pressings and final run should always have same cat number. There are some cases where cat number or parts of it have been scratched off, as you can see in quite many KLF records but that's usually because of misspelling or mistake. But not like ETERNA1 -> KLF011T. But I also found some old discussions supporting 011 cat: http://bit.ly/QKkrMW (http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20030702.100651.01460354.ca.html) Can anyone confirm this? There are also other curious thing at discogs: http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 Backwards? Matrix / Runout: 1A 1 ANRETE? Is it like mirrored pressing plate? anttil. On 14.9.2012 0:51, Len Goody wrote:
Is this post in response to something?......Is there any thread history to this?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> *To:* klf@mailman.xmission.com
*Sent:* Sunday, 9 September 2012, 19:51
*Subject:* [KLF] Madrugada Eterna
http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 <http://www.discogs.com/user/ZWOL2> Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago) referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T <http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna/release/106611> ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips.
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Well that is also my assumption, however, if you look at the regular release of Eterna 1 on discogs the full club mix is credited as the A side and the edit & ambient house the B, though I suspect that info is innacurate as my picture is conclusive proof that the A side is 2 tracks, unless.... .... it could be a AA. Tim. ________________________________ From: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 23:48 Subject: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna Thanks Tim Ok so to clarify, the 'mispress' on discogs is the A-side 2 track single sided reverse pressing (1A 1 ANRETE), which presumably plays backwards the A SIDE from the original ETERNA 1 test press. http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 (The A side of ETERNA 1 had the Club Mix edit and the Ambient House mixes.) The vinyl pressing that PVC sold in 2004 was the B SIDE reverse test press which played just one track, a backwards version of the Full Club Mix, and therefore presumably the runout groove would have read 1B 1 ANRETE. (The B side of ETERNA 1 had just the Full Club Mix) Sounds like there is a missing entry in discogs for 1B 1 ANRETE that needs to be filled ! ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com>; All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 19:33 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna Well, the one on discogs is mine :) ________________________________ From: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 23:03 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna According to my ebay records, someone with the username 'hanky23' bought the unique reverse pressing from Tim for £510 back in September 2004. This of course was in the days when winning bidders were public knowledge....nowadays of course its all private. I wonder if hanky23 still owns it, or whether it has been sold on since then? Does any list member currently have this in their collection? ________________________________ From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 19:10 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna Not sure how this reverse press came about, probably a mispress. Interestingly this is one sided and is the A side. Tim Richards [pvc] sold one a few years back on ebay, also a reverse mispress, but he stated that that only played the full club mix. So that may have been the B plate. As Eterna 1 is meant to be 3 tracker that would make some kind of sense. Here's the original discussion from the list... http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20040917.101353.a8da1f7f.en.html Maybe Tim could shed some more light on these mysterious slabs of vinyl? Over to you PVC >>>> ________________________________ From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 6:22 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna I think this was just something that Adam found from discogs, not an ongoing thread. Pressing plants would not do such a small run (3-20), but usually at least 100 is the minimum. Of course, first doing 5-6 test pressing and then discarding the actual pressing is possible. But, what the guy says at discogs about ME test pressings having different cat number is bullshit (at least what I have understood). Test pressing is testing the final plates and vinyl quality, so test pressings and final run should always have same cat number. There are some cases where cat number or parts of it have been scratched off, as you can see in quite many KLF records but that's usually because of misspelling or mistake. But not like ETERNA1 -> KLF011T. But I also found some old discussions supporting 011 cat: http://bit.ly/QKkrMW (http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20030702.100651.01460354.ca.html) Can anyone confirm this? There are also other curious thing at discogs: http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 Backwards? Matrix / Runout: 1A 1 ANRETE? Is it like mirrored pressing plate? anttil. On 14.9.2012 0:51, Len Goody wrote:
Is this post in response to something?......Is there any thread history to this?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> *To:* klf@mailman.xmission.com
*Sent:* Sunday, 9 September 2012, 19:51
*Subject:* [KLF] Madrugada Eterna
http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 <http://www.discogs.com/user/ZWOL2> Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago) referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T <http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna/release/106611> ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips.
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That entry on discogs is incorrect, I checked my '3 tracker' and the full club mix is definitely the B side (ETERNA 1 B1)......(and its not 'AA' either). ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com>; All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012, 9:17 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna Well that is also my assumption, however, if you look at the regular release of Eterna 1 on discogs the full club mix is credited as the A side and the edit & ambient house the B, though I suspect that info is innacurate as my picture is conclusive proof that the A side is 2 tracks, unless.... .... it could be a AA. Tim. From: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 23:48 Subject: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna Thanks Tim Ok so to clarify, the 'mispress' on discogs is the A-side 2 track single sided reverse pressing (1A 1 ANRETE), which presumably plays backwards the A SIDE from the original ETERNA 1 test press. http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 (The A side of ETERNA 1 had the Club Mix edit and the Ambient House mixes.) The vinyl pressing that PVC sold in 2004 was the B SIDE reverse test press which played just one track, a backwards version of the Full Club Mix, and therefore presumably the runout groove would have read 1B 1 ANRETE. (The B side of ETERNA 1 had just the Full Club Mix) Sounds like there is a missing entry in discogs for 1B 1 ANRETE that needs to be filled ! ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com>; All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 19:33 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna Well, the one on discogs is mine :) From: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 23:03 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna According to my ebay records, someone with the username 'hanky23' bought the unique reverse pressing from Tim for £510 back in September 2004. This of course was in the days when winning bidders were public knowledge....nowadays of course its all private. I wonder if hanky23 still owns it, or whether it has been sold on since then? Does any list member currently have this in their collection? From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 19:10 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna Not sure how this reverse press came about, probably a mispress. Interestingly this is one sided and is the A side. Tim Richards [pvc] sold one a few years back on ebay, also a reverse mispress, but he stated that that only played the full club mix. So that may have been the B plate. As Eterna 1 is meant to be 3 tracker that would make some kind of sense. Here's the original discussion from the list... http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20040917.101353.a8da1f7f.en.html Maybe Tim could shed some more light on these mysterious slabs of vinyl? Over to you PVC >>>> From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 6:22 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna I think this was just something that Adam found from discogs, not an ongoing thread. Pressing plants would not do such a small run (3-20), but usually at least 100 is the minimum. Of course, first doing 5-6 test pressing and then discarding the actual pressing is possible. But, what the guy says at discogs about ME test pressings having different cat number is bullshit (at least what I have understood). Test pressing is testing the final plates and vinyl quality, so test pressings and final run should always have same cat number. There are some cases where cat number or parts of it have been scratched off, as you can see in quite many KLF records but that's usually because of misspelling or mistake. But not like ETERNA1 -> KLF011T. But I also found some old discussions supporting 011 cat: http://bit.ly/QKkrMW (http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/message/20030702.100651.01460354.ca.html) Can anyone confirm this? There are also other curious thing at discogs: http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/3669614 Backwards? Matrix / Runout: 1A 1 ANRETE? Is it like mirrored pressing plate? anttil. On 14.9.2012 0:51, Len Goody wrote:
Is this post in response to something?......Is there any thread history to this?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> *To:* klf@mailman.xmission.com
*Sent:* Sunday, 9 September 2012, 19:51
*Subject:* [KLF] Madrugada Eterna
http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/master/63574 ZWOL2 <http://www.discogs.com/user/ZWOL2> Jul 30, 2011 (edited about 1 year ago) referencing Madrugada Eterna, 12", KLF 011 T <http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna/release/106611> ETERNITY 23 is the bootleg issue, a 1-sided 12" white label. The thing about so called 3 or 6 KLF pressings is complete nonsense. I used to work for the Adrenalin & Damont pressing plants where most of the KLF's vinyls were pressed and can tell you that Adrenalin or any other plant at that time would never press such a small amount of discs. ETERNA 1 was the test pressing, and KLF 011T was the record due for release. Adrenalin & Damont would only press a 500 run as a minimum. The KLF may have only released 6 of them, but it doesn't mean that only 6 were made. This I hope explains why they do surface from time to time, as a lot of unreleased vinyls were in boxes and put into skips.
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