Hi all, I've just read some interesting articles about so called "bastard pop", I didn't know the name before but for sure everyone knows the result already. One of the quite known results in Switzerland and Germany is "Like a prayer" from MadHouse. It's a remix from Madonna based on a very nice drumloop which is well known as well for oldschool techno freaks like me :-) Interestingly they also mention the word "Bootleg" in the same category, so far a bootleg was "just" a copy of the original track without permission by the artist for me. IMHO this word has nothing to do with remixes or am I wrong? Later they mention the JAM's as well: --- Die Methode der Bootleg-Künstler ist nicht ohne Vorbilder: Schon Ende der 1980er spielte Tim Westwood Public-Enemy-Raps über John-Coltrane-Stücken, die auch in Miniauflagen gepresst wurden. Künstler wie Negativland, John Oswald oder die Justified Ancients of MuMu wandten die Techniken der Verfremdung durch Zusammenfügung bereits in den 1980er und 1990er Jahren an und werden von den erheblich jüngeren Bootleg-Künstlern deshalb als ältere Ausprägung ihrer Bewegung gesehen. --- *Rough* translation: --- The method of bootleg-artists are not without role model: Already at the end of the 1980ies Tim Westwood played Public-Enemy-Raps over John-Coltrane-Tracks, who even got pressed in small amounts. Artists like Negativeland, John Oswald or the Justified Ancients of MuMu used this technique <very rought translation cause I don't know the words in english:> to "change a track in cutting stuff together" already in the 1980ies and 1990ies. Because of this a lot of young bootleg artists see those people as older occurence of their movement. --- Damn translating given stuff is quite hard :-) The original (german) articles are here: Telepolis: Verbotene Musik (forbidden music): http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/musik/11846/1.html Article especially about "Like a prayer": http://www.laut.de/vorlaut/news/2002/04/04/02680/index.htm The site where a lot of this stuff seems to come from: http://boomselection.n3.net/ cu Adrian -- Adrian Gschwend @ OS/2 Netlabs ICQ: 22419590 ktk@netlabs.org ------- The OS/2 OpenSource Project: http://www.netlabs.org
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 10:51:30AM +0200, Adrian Gschwend wrote:
Interestingly they also mention the word "Bootleg" in the same category, so far a bootleg was "just" a copy of the original track without permission by the artist for me. IMHO this word has nothing to do with remixes or am I wrong?
originally, as you say, bootleg meant an illegal pressing of a record, but recently is used for remixes made without permission, usually mixing two or more tracks together. Some good examples are "so f#cking crazy", mixing metallica and britney, or various eminem/britney or eminem/christina mixes that used to be all over napster (I've not used any p2p stuff recently so i don't know how common they are now). There are roughly 8 million "bootlegs" mixing "get ur freak on" by missy elliot with just about every piece of music written since 1958 (including, i imagine, several mixing it with "get ur freak on" by missy elliot. i wouldn't put it past them). I've got a brilliant 7" "bootleg" at home which is the bassline from "overload" by the sugababes with the vocals from "forgot about dre". I've no idea who it's by but it's bloody great! :) jon -- "Convictions cause convicts" - Mal2
Greetings,
One of the quite known results in Switzerland and Germany is "Like a prayer" from MadHouse. It's a remix from Madonna based on a very nice drumloop which is well known as well for oldschool techno freaks like me :-)
not sure if its the same exact track, but it can be downloaded from http://www.tranceaddict.com/livesets.shtml Marco V - Live From Club Eau (11-24-01) warning - its 126megs. the madonna song makes up a very small part of it. not a bad site as far as places to download live sets go. anybody got any recommendations? prob best offlist unless its somehow on topic. http://www.tranceaddict.com/cgi-bin/songout.pl.cgi?1214-marco_v-club_eau-112 4
Interestingly they also mention the word "Bootleg" in the same category, so far a bootleg was "just" a copy of the original track without permission by the artist for me. IMHO this word has nothing to do with remixes or am I wrong?
back in the day, i thought a bootleg was any unofficial release - typically live sets. but that was way back then. now it seems to cover cdr copy's or "music cd's made from mp3s". cheers brendan
Interestingly they also mention the word "Bootleg" in the same category, so far a bootleg was "just" a copy of the original track without permission by the artist for me. IMHO this word has nothing to do with remixes or am I wrong?
Well, I think the term "Bootleg" in this case is shortened from "Bootleg Mixes", which is what I've always heard these things being called. I mean, it's nothing new, but with more kids owning computers, and people getting hold of acapellas more easily, it's really taken off. You can go to nights where they *just* play bootleg mash ups. Also, I saw a random radio tracklisting on a website from a bootleg show, and among the first few tracks the DJ played were Downtown, Whitney Joins The Jams and Burn the Bastards, I think, before kicking into more recent stuff. At least they're acknowledging their sources! Del ----------------------------------- Derek Knight djnite@klf-communications.com http://www.djnite.co.uk
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