Yep, I've been also told by many audiophile friends that USB turntables should be avoided at all cost. Sure they're handy and easy to setup, but results leave a lot to be desired. Cheers Xav Cheers, Xav Le mercredi 31 août 2011 à 13:54, Dan T. Hutchins a écrit :

Everything I have ever read or heard indicates these USB turntables are all crap. For best quality a 1970s/1980s turntable (Technics are the best, but they ALL used to be better than what's on offer today) run through a good quality stereo receiver or RIAA preamp. I currently have a 16 bit/44.100 ArtCessories pre because it's the best reviewed one for the money, but am looking for a 24 bit/96.000 one for the archive. Dan

On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:28 AM, "RiCh!" <rich@j1sproductions.com (mailto:rich@j1sproductions.com)> wrote:

...

Thanks everyone for sharing the high quality files. I'm loving the renewed interest in this arKive project.

I agree with everything in the post below.

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people of mu

maybe true arKive should be built thru the fab website archive.org (http://archive.org) where we could put all their stuff that ain't copyrighted by arista/sony in FLAC format for free and forever instead getting it on all those upload services. http://www.archive.org/details/audio

i spoke with guys from Positive Void. they said YES but not the copyrighted by BIG COMPANIES as they will take it down...

regarding recordings from vinyl, best option for transfer are turntables with USB direct to computer without mixer, EQs, preamps etc

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I've got a harmon kardon deck glass platter & touch controls that needs slight attention last time i used it... Belt i think... Send me a PM email if your interested... Also i've got a systemdek iix900 with glass plater, you need to remove platter to adjust speed i.e 33/45.... Again email me if interested... Mark Sent from KITT On 31 Aug 2011, at 13:14, "Dan T. Hutchins" <danthutchins@gmail.com> wrote:

I use a 1980s Sony PS-FL7II which I received as a gift in 1989 and hardly ever used. Audiophiles have advised me to buy a 1980s Technics and get it refurbed at a DJ shop for best results but can't afford this right now. Any 70s/80s turntable with a decent cartridge should provide good results though.

Dan

On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Xavier <alunare@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Yep, I've been also told by many audiophile friends that USB turntables should be avoided at all cost.

Sure they're handy and easy to setup, but results leave a lot to be desired.

Cheers Xav

Cheers, Xav

Le mercredi 31 août 2011 à 13:54, Dan T. Hutchins a écrit :

...

Everything I have ever read or heard indicates these USB turntables are all crap. For best quality a 1970s/1980s turntable (Technics are the best, but they ALL used to be better than what's on offer today) run through a good quality stereo receiver or RIAA preamp. I currently have a 16 bit/44.100 ArtCessories pre because it's the best reviewed one for the money, but am looking for a 24 bit/96.000 one for the archive. Dan

On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:28 AM, "RiCh!" <rich@j1sproductions.com> wrote:

...

Thanks everyone for sharing the high quality files. I'm loving the renewed interest in this arKive project.

I agree with everything in the post below.

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people of mu

maybe true arKive should be built thru the fab website archive.org where we could put all their stuff that ain't copyrighted by arista/sony in FLAC format for free and forever instead getting it on all those upload services. http://www.archive.org/details/audio

i spoke with guys from Positive Void. they said YES but not the copyrighted by BIG COMPANIES as they will take it down...

regarding recordings from vinyl, best option for transfer are turntables with USB direct to computer without mixer, EQs, preamps etc

- A Stalker http://www.facebook.com/adam.strange23

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B&J started out by going against the wishes of the music industry. Seems only fitting that we carry on by going against B&J's wishes. Would never distribute this stuff widely as it's special, but anyone motivated enough to find this list is welcome to whatever I've spent years and thousands recovering. This is also "art." Dan On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:40 AM, "PVC" <pvc@positivevoid.co.uk> wrote:

For the sake of good order…

Neither Gimpo nor I have spoken with either Bill or Jimmy regarding the recent frenzy of on-list based file sharing so I am unable to state their absolute position.

What I said to Adam, which is unfortunately misquoted, is:

Jimmy told me that when he and Bill decided that they wanted to delete their back catalogue they intended that it would respectfully remain just so. They are not opposed to low key copyright infringement / bootlegs etc between fans and friends but a large scale or commercial release of their previously deleted material would not be acceptable.

The dilemma is that the more you seek to understand, appreciate and enjoy their extraordinary talent the more you have to afford them the artistic rite (sic) to either create in uniquely precious formats or equally choose to destroy what they have created (possibly as a part of some bigger communication).

It seems to me that the KLF challenged the conventions of copyright control because it restricted the horizons of creativity that new technologies were opening up to new artists.

However it is equally arguable that technology has leapt so far beyond the walls of practicable copyright restriction that finally:

“The field of knowledge is the common property of all mankind” – Thomas Jefferson 1807

In the spirit of Mu

Liberate & Communicate

Love Peace & Happiness

Tim

“Download as a Civil Disobedience” – Cult of the Yellow Sign

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[Edit]

i spoke with guys from Positive Void.

they said YES but not the copyrighted by BIG COMPANIES

as they will take it down...

[Edit]

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They started out by stealing from Abba, so what's wrong with stealing from them? Don't misunderstand, I would never deprive these guys a legit royality by sharung simething still in print, after all they're family men and not millionaires. But by the same token they may always reissue their catalog for extra cash. They choose not to so here we are, stealing from thieves. Dan On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:19 PM, "Ross Jarvis" <jarvmeister@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I’m famous for incorrectly interpreting things, so perhaps I should recap on what I think I understand from this:

Jimmy told me that when he and Bill decided that they wanted to delete their back catalogue they intended that it would respectfully remain just so. They are not opposed to low key copyright infringement / bootlegs etc between fans and friends but a large scale or commercial release of their previously deleted material would not be acceptable.

If we keep this archive a list only FTP password protected resource, or something similar, it would, presumably, qualify as: Non commercial, small scale and amongst fans and friends. AFAIK the list holds somewhere close to around 500 members.

So would this be acceptable? Bearing in mind I have presumed and I nearly always get the wrong end of the stick. Any way of getting input from the men at the top?

Ross

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Liberation Loophole is a fantastic name for the archive! I second every single thing you've uttered!!! Dan On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:14 PM, jai nelson <illitrate_23@mac.com> wrote:

So in the spirit of keeping it a list only, small scale endeavour, i thought we'd be better off if it was something run by ourselves, rather that something large like archive.org

So i've set up an ftp server for us to use. Currently, there's a web interface running for it: http://liberationloophole.co.uk:8000/ username: klf password: klf

Am still ironing out the problems, hence why it's web interface only at the moment, the direct ftp interface isn't working just yet. And i threw together the graphics a bit quickly, so apologies it all looks a bit rough.

but feel free to use it. I'll spend the rest of the week going through the links everyone has sent and putting the files up on there.

On 31 Aug 2011, at 18:19, Ross Jarvis wrote:

...

OK, I’m famous for incorrectly interpreting things, so perhaps I should recap on what I think I understand from this:

Jimmy told me that when he and Bill decided that they wanted to delete their back catalogue they intended that it would respectfully remain just so. They are not opposed to low key copyright infringement / bootlegs etc between fans and friends but a large scale or commercial release of their previously deleted material would not be acceptable.

If we keep this archive a list only FTP password protected resource, or something similar, it would, presumably, qualify as: Non commercial, small scale and amongst fans and friends. AFAIK the list holds somewhere close to around 500 members.

So would this be acceptable? Bearing in mind I have presumed and I nearly always get the wrong end of the stick. Any way of getting input from the men at the top?

Ross

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Well, accidents happen. Messages get lost. Or edited. *cough* ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "My wife is passionately fond of flowers, and I always give her a punch on her birthday." - Letter in daily paper Am 31.08.2011 um 20:27 schrieb Nick King:

Erm, aren't all the messages available via www.klf.de (or the xmission archive) anyway? ;-)

(not that I'm dissing the idea, but it'll be publicly available anyway)! :-p

Might be a little more work to handle, but could individual logins be granted to people who email (offlist) and set them up? Would provide a way of controlling access... (and there could be a component that you also need to email the list or something if we want proof of membership)...   As for the numbers here - yes, the list may have 500 members - but how many are active? I have an old account filled with SPAM - it's on there, but inactive... so there may be a few multiples, and a LOT of people ignoring the influx (I suspect). Active members in the dozens...?   - Scott From: Chris Renwick <dejaya@gmail.com> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [KLF] Liberation Loophole You're right Nick .. this list is VERY MUCH public ... in fact - I've just found a twitter account spewing out links to every conversation started on here: http://twitter.com/#!/KLF_Updates Not really sure what I make of that to be honest Chief On 31 August 2011 19:27, Nick King <nickwking@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Erm, aren't all the messages available via www.klf.de (or the xmission archive) anyway? ;-)

(not that I'm dissing the idea, but it'll be publicly available anyway)! :-p

...

On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:14 PM, jai nelson <illitrate_23@mac.com> wrote:

So in the spirit of keeping it a list only, small scale endeavour, i thought we'd be better off if it was something run by ourselves, rather that something large like archive.org So i've set up an ftp server for us to use. Currently, there's a web interface running for it: http://liberationloophole.co.uk:8000/ username: klf password: klf Am still ironing out the problems, hence why it's web interface only at the moment, the direct ftp interface isn't working just yet. And i threw together the graphics a bit quickly, so apologies it all looks a bit rough. but feel free to use it. I'll spend the rest of the week going through the links everyone has sent and putting the files up on there.

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Yes… the contents of this mailing list are public and are searched by music industry legal teams. It is naïve in the extreme to think that the only vested interests are Bill and Jimmy. Show a modicum of care with whatever you endeavour. Love Peace & Happiness Tim [At this time PVC / GFT has no further “on-list” comment to make about this or associated topics] _____ From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Nick King Sent: 31 August 2011 19:27 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Liberation Loophole Erm, aren't all the messages available via www.klf.de (or the xmission archive) anyway? ;-) (not that I'm dissing the idea, but it'll be publicly available anyway)! :-p On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:14 PM, jai nelson <illitrate_23@mac.com> wrote: So in the spirit of keeping it a list only, small scale endeavour, i thought we'd be better off if it was something run by ourselves, rather that something large like <http://archive.org> archive.org So i've set up an ftp server for us to use. Currently, there's a web interface running for it: <http://liberationloophole.co.uk:8000/> http://liberationloophole.co.uk:8000/ username: klf password: klf Am still ironing out the problems, hence why it's web interface only at the moment, the direct ftp interface isn't working just yet. And i threw together the graphics a bit quickly, so apologies it all looks a bit rough. but feel free to use it. I'll spend the rest of the week going through the links everyone has sent and putting the files up on there.

Shares will be cleaned-up around 8 PM EDT US. Most things will remain available but one or two things will disappear. I will conrinue to share new things, but will leave PVC completw etly out of it, not mention him, or share any of his exclusives under any circumstances. Dan On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:05 PM, "PVC" <pvc@positivevoid.co.uk> wrote:

Yes… the contents of this mailing list are public and are searched by music industry legal teams.

It is naïve in the extreme to think that the only vested interests are Bill and Jimmy.

Show a modicum of care with whatever you endeavour.

Love Peace & Happiness

Tim

[At this time PVC / GFT has no further “on-list” comment to make about this or associated topics]

From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Nick King Sent: 31 August 2011 19:27 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Liberation Loophole

Erm, aren't all the messages available via www.klf.de (or the xmission archive) anyway? ;-)

(not that I'm dissing the idea, but it'll be publicly available anyway)! :-p

On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:14 PM, jai nelson <illitrate_23@mac.com> wrote:

...

So in the spirit of keeping it a list only, small scale endeavour, i thought we'd be better off if it was something run by ourselves, rather that something large like archive.org

So i've set up an ftp server for us to use. Currently, there's a web interface running for it: http://liberationloophole.co.uk:8000/ username: klf password: klf

Am still ironing out the problems, hence why it's web interface only at the moment, the direct ftp interface isn't working just yet. And i threw together the graphics a bit quickly, so apologies it all looks a bit rough.

but feel free to use it. I'll spend the rest of the week going through the links everyone has sent and putting the files up on there.

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A personal call on my part out of respect for PVC. I won't tell others the should or should not do however. Dan On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Xavier <alunare@gmail.com> wrote:

Pity, PVC's stuff is not under copyright. I for one will not make that distinction.

Cheers, Xav

Le jeudi 1 septembre 2011 à 00:10, Dan T. Hutchins a écrit :

...

Shares will be cleaned-up around 8 PM EDT US. Most things will remain available but one or two things will disappear. I will conrinue to share new things, but will leave PVC completw etly out of it, not mention him, or share any of his exclusives under any circumstances.

Dan

On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:05 PM, "PVC" <pvc@positivevoid.co.uk> wrote:

...

Yes… the contents of this mailing list are public and are searched by music industry legal teams.

It is naïve in the extreme to think that the only vested interests are Bill and Jimmy.

Show a modicum of care with whatever you endeavour.

Love Peace & Happiness

Tim

[At this time PVC / GFT has no further “on-list” comment to make about this or associated topics]

From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Nick King Sent: 31 August 2011 19:27 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Liberation Loophole

Erm, aren't all the messages available via www.klf.de (or the xmission archive) anyway? ;-)

(not that I'm dissing the idea, but it'll be publicly available anyway)! :-p

...

On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:14 PM, jai nelson <illitrate_23@mac.com> wrote:

...

So in the spirit of keeping it a list only, small scale endeavour, i thought we'd be better off if it was something run by ourselves, rather that something large like archive.org

So i've set up an ftp server for us to use. Currently, there's a web interface running for it: http://liberationloophole.co.uk:8000/

username: klf

password: klf

Am still ironing out the problems, hence why it's web interface only at the moment, the direct ftp interface isn't working just yet. And i threw together the graphics a bit quickly, so apologies it all looks a bit rough.

but feel free to use it. I'll spend the rest of the week going through the links everyone has sent and putting the files up on there.

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Totally agree! I will buy 2 of any audio the guy puts out at any price and as many T-Shirts as I can afford. I would buy them all, but times are tough at Dan HQ and the wife and I are making 25% less than we were two years ago but of course expenses have risen. That's part of my motivation, to share what I was fortunate to purchase when times were good any maybe share the love with those short on entertainment bucks. I've done business with PVC for 15 years, corresponded with him, and had a great online relationship. He's an honest dealer, does it all for love, and spends what little proceeds he makes to sponsor cool things for people. If he wants to stay out of what's happening that's fine with me. I have no desire to implicate him, screw with his operation, put him in a bad spot etc. that's why I won't share his stuff. BUT, unlike a few others on the list I don 't feel I have superior insight, intelligence, or judgement. If others disagree they know how to find Mediafire, they could easily share ANYTHING from ANYONE and I wouldn't object or call them to task...this isn't North Korea after all. HOWEVER, I do politely request that people show restraint when it comes to the in print things and the PVC stuff. People still make money off the in print things and PVC has worked his ass off to create something special. Again, not a lecture or commandment from a superior intelligence, just a request and opinion from one list member to others. Do what you will, I won't bad mouth anyone, please just consider the time and effort others have put in first...and also where their heart is. Thanks for your time. Another cool upload coming in an hour or so! Dan On Aug 31, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Theritesofmu <theritesofmu@aol.com> wrote:

Tim (PVC) does require a little respect as without him most of the salvaged long time deleted never ever pressed, original album track listings complete with the original tracks (who killed the jams) on the original DAT tapes... Would be long gone to the land refill site or worst....

Bring on the next M25 spin & the next "little gem"....

Sent from KITT

A personal call on my part out of respect for PVC. I won't tell others the should or should not do however.

Dan

Pity, PVC's stuff is not under copyright. I for one will not make that distinction.

Cheers, Xav

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I don't know why you keep talking about respecting Tim…. Guys, i respect Tim's work as much as any of you, and I've bought most of his stuff over the years to support him. Like i'm sure we all respect B&J for all their efforts and creativity in THEIR art. But if this project is to share and archive as much as B&J's KLF music as possible, then i find it completely absurd that the rarest and arguably the most important stuff will be left out !! It seems clear that we each have our convictions on this and thats fine. I can't help to feel a little bit sad though that this project will never be completed, and that people on this list will be left out because they didn't buy the PCV stuff on a particular year. I guess i should be happy for what will be shared, so let the sharing continue. Let's just not fool ourselves and call this an archive anymore….. Cheers, Xav Le jeudi 1 septembre 2011 à 10:05, Richard Haslock a écrit :

As a long time lurker on this list, who rarely inputs, I am extremely pleased with the current activity. I unfortunately don't have much to offer, and indeed no longer have a turntable (though am interested to hear if a good USB turntable does indeed exist). I share the below opinion re Tim and PVC - the guy is a pleasure to deal with, and he deserves full credit and support for what he has offered to the community over the years.

Regards, Rich H

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Totally agree! I will buy 2 of any audio the guy puts out at any price and as many T-Shirts as I can afford. I would buy them all, but times are tough at Dan HQ and the wife and I are making 25% less than we were two years ago but of course expenses have risen. That's part of my motivation, to share what I was fortunate to purchase when times were good any maybe share the love with those short on entertainment bucks. I've done business with PVC for 15 years, corresponded with him, and had a great online relationship. He's an honest dealer, does it all for love, and spends what little proceeds he makes to sponsor cool things for people. If he wants to stay out of what's happening that's fine with me. I have no desire to implicate him, screw with his operation, put him in a bad spot etc. that's why I won't share his stuff. BUT, unlike a few others on the list I don 't feel I have superior insight, intelligence, or judgement. If others disagree they know how to find Mediafire, they could easily share ANYTHING from ANYONE and I wouldn't object or call them to task...this isn't North Korea after all. HOWEVER, I do politely request that people show restraint when it comes to the in print things and the PVC stuff. People still make money off the in print things and PVC has worked his ass off to create something special. Again, not a lecture or commandment from a superior intelligence, just a request and opinion from one list member to others. Do what you will, I won't bad mouth anyone, please just consider the time and effort others have put in first...and also where their heart is. Thanks for your time. Another cool upload coming in an hour or so!

Dan

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Perhaps Tim can speak out and clarify where he stands on the PVC products making their way onto the archive. It’s a double edged sword, I can appreciate both sides of this. The last thing I’d want, and I’m sure I speak for the majority, is for PVC to cease releasing the gems that come to the forefront each year. But Tim, would you mind making a clear decision on where you stand with regards to this? From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dan T. Hutchins Sent: 01 September 2011 12:21 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Liberation Loophole I have a long history with the guy and really like him, that's it really. Again, I won't tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't do. It's "free swim" out there on the net. Besides, give the guy a chance. He's probably thinking things over... we don't know what will happen. Dan On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Xavier <alunare@gmail.com> wrote: I don't know why you keep talking about respecting Tim…. Guys, i respect Tim's work as much as any of you, and I've bought most of his stuff over the years to support him. Like i'm sure we all respect B&J for all their efforts and creativity in THEIR art. But if this project is to share and archive as much as B&J's KLF music as possible, then i find it completely absurd that the rarest and arguably the most important stuff will be left out !! It seems clear that we each have our convictions on this and thats fine. I can't help to feel a little bit sad though that this project will never be completed, and that people on this list will be left out because they didn't buy the PCV stuff on a particular year. I guess i should be happy for what will be shared, so let the sharing continue. Let's just not fool ourselves and call this an archive anymore….. Cheers, Xav Le jeudi 1 septembre 2011 à 10:05, Richard Haslock a écrit : As a long time lurker on this list, who rarely inputs, I am extremely pleased with the current activity. I unfortunately don't have much to offer, and indeed no longer have a turntable (though am interested to hear if a good USB turntable does indeed exist). I share the below opinion re Tim and PVC - the guy is a pleasure to deal with, and he deserves full credit and support for what he has offered to the community over the years. Regards, Rich H -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dan T. Hutchins Sent: 01 September 2011 01:58 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Liberation Loophole Totally agree! I will buy 2 of any audio the guy puts out at any price and as many T-Shirts as I can afford. I would buy them all, but times are tough at Dan HQ and the wife and I are making 25% less than we were two years ago but of course expenses have risen. That's part of my motivation, to share what I was fortunate to purchase when times were good any maybe share the love with those short on entertainment bucks. I've done business with PVC for 15 years, corresponded with him, and had a great online relationship. He's an honest dealer, does it all for love, and spends what little proceeds he makes to sponsor cool things for people. If he wants to stay out of what's happening that's fine with me. I have no desire to implicate him, screw with his operation, put him in a bad spot etc. that's why I won't share his stuff. BUT, unlike a few others on the list I don 't feel I have superior insight, intelligence, or judgement. If others disagree they know how to find Mediafire, they could easily share ANYTHING from ANYONE and I wouldn't object or call them to task...this isn't North Korea after all. HOWEVER, I do politely request that people show restraint when it comes to the in print things and the PVC stuff. People still make money off the in print things and PVC has worked his ass off to create something special. Again, not a lecture or commandment from a superior intelligence, just a request and opinion from one list member to others. Do what you will, I won't bad mouth anyone, please just consider the time and effort others have put in first...and also where their heart is. Thanks for your time. Another cool upload coming in an hour or so! Dan _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com

Here here! (The only sad thing about the list's sudden reignition for me is it reminds me of how many old time KLF fans have fallen away over the years - names and people I've not thought of for years. I'm sure most are now struggling with baby food on the walls or mortgages! :-))

I share the below opinion re Tim and PVC - the guy is a pleasure to deal with, and he deserves full credit and support for what he has offered to the community over the years.

Regards, Rich H

Knowledge is an accumulation of information Art is an ancient medium for the transfer or communication of accumulated information / knowledge that pre-dates language

From simple foundations to complex structures the communication of all accumulated knowledge defines every past, present and future advance we make

Copyright is a restriction and therefore a crime against mankind "May-be logic" permitting In the spirit of Mu Liberate & Communicate Love Peace & Happiness _____ From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Beardslee Sent: 01 September 2011 03:36 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Liberation Loophole and... [snip] KNOWLEDGE... nothing about kopyrited art work, but what is knowledge... respect, love and happiness [snip]

Everything is there for the taking, if it ain't bolted down, take it. We are only bound by the morals the people in power brainwash us with. Viva the Kopyright Revolution. From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of PVC Sent: 02 September 2011 13:26 To: 'Sharon Beardslee'; 'All bound for Mu-Mu Land.' Subject: [KLF] [OT] Knowledge... bite-size philosophy from the void Knowledge is an accumulation of information Art is an ancient medium for the transfer or communication of accumulated information / knowledge that pre-dates language

From simple foundations to complex structures the communication of all accumulated knowledge defines every past, present and future advance we make

Copyright is a restriction and therefore a crime against mankind "May-be logic" permitting In the spirit of Mu Liberate & Communicate Love Peace & Happiness _____ From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Beardslee Sent: 01 September 2011 03:36 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Liberation Loophole and... [snip] KNOWLEDGE... nothing about kopyrited art work, but what is knowledge... respect, love and happiness [snip]

I seriously doubt anyone's paying attention to maybe 100 people sharing music (from a 20 year old defunct band) that was either never distributed or so scarce that it's of no relevance. Really, we are in no immediate danger from the copyright police. Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 31 août 2011 à 23:05, "PVC" <pvc@positivevoid.co.uk> a écrit :

Yes… the contents of this mailing list are public and are searched by music industry legal teams.

It is naïve in the extreme to think that the only vested interests are Bill and Jimmy.

Show a modicum of care with whatever you endeavour.

Love Peace & Happiness

Tim

[At this time PVC / GFT has no further “on-list” comment to make about this or associated topics]

From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Nick King Sent: 31 August 2011 19:27 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Liberation Loophole

Erm, aren't all the messages available via www.klf.de (or the xmission archive) anyway? ;-)

(not that I'm dissing the idea, but it'll be publicly available anyway)! :-p

On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:14 PM, jai nelson <illitrate_23@mac.com> wrote:

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So in the spirit of keeping it a list only, small scale endeavour, i thought we'd be better off if it was something run by ourselves, rather that something large like archive.org

So i've set up an ftp server for us to use. Currently, there's a web interface running for it: http://liberationloophole.co.uk:8000/ username: klf password: klf

Am still ironing out the problems, hence why it's web interface only at the moment, the direct ftp interface isn't working just yet. And i threw together the graphics a bit quickly, so apologies it all looks a bit rough.

but feel free to use it. I'll spend the rest of the week going through the links everyone has sent and putting the files up on there.

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Would it be an idea to include some sort of folders separating the FLACS from the MP3's etc.... In terms of recording quality??? Just an idea guys... Ok so records & deck is out of hiding... Going to do almost all of mine in FLAC. if possible if not in Apple Lossless... 1. Wtil... Acid mix 2. Love Trance. 3. ???? Sent from KITT On 31 Aug 2011, at 19:14, jai nelson <illitrate_23@mac.com> wrote:

So in the spirit of keeping it a list only, small scale endeavour, i thought we'd be better off if it was something run by ourselves, rather that something large like archive.org

So i've set up an ftp server for us to use. Currently, there's a web interface running for it: http://liberationloophole.co.uk:8000/ username: klf password: klf

Am still ironing out the problems, hence why it's web interface only at the moment, the direct ftp interface isn't working just yet. And i threw together the graphics a bit quickly, so apologies it all looks a bit rough.

but feel free to use it. I'll spend the rest of the week going through the links everyone has sent and putting the files up on there.

On 31 Aug 2011, at 18:19, Ross Jarvis wrote:

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OK, I’m famous for incorrectly interpreting things, so perhaps I should recap on what I think I understand from this:

Jimmy told me that when he and Bill decided that they wanted to delete their back catalogue they intended that it would respectfully remain just so. They are not opposed to low key copyright infringement / bootlegs etc between fans and friends but a large scale or commercial release of their previously deleted material would not be acceptable.

If we keep this archive a list only FTP password protected resource, or something similar, it would, presumably, qualify as: Non commercial, small scale and amongst fans and friends. AFAIK the list holds somewhere close to around 500 members.

So would this be acceptable? Bearing in mind I have presumed and I nearly always get the wrong end of the stick. Any way of getting input from the men at the top?

Ross

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Amazing !! Thanks Jai Cheers, Xav Le mercredi 31 août 2011 à 20:14, jai nelson a écrit :

So in the spirit of keeping it a list only, small scale endeavour, i thought we'd be better off if it was something run by ourselves, rather that something large like archive.org (http://archive.org)

So i've set up an ftp server for us to use. Currently, there's a web interface running for it: http://liberationloophole.co.uk:8000/ username: klf password: klf

Am still ironing out the problems, hence why it's web interface only at the moment, the direct ftp interface isn't working just yet. And i threw together the graphics a bit quickly, so apologies it all looks a bit rough.

but feel free to use it. I'll spend the rest of the week going through the links everyone has sent and putting the files up on there. On 31 Aug 2011, at 18:19, Ross Jarvis wrote:

...

OK, I’m famous for incorrectly interpreting things, so perhaps I should recap on what I think I understand from this:

Jimmy told me that when he and Bill decided that they wanted to delete their back catalogue they intended that it would respectfully remain just so. They are not opposed to low key copyright infringement / bootlegs etc between fans and friends but a large scale or commercial release of their previously deleted material would not be acceptable.

If we keep this archive a list only FTP password protected resource, or something similar, it would, presumably, qualify as: Non commercial, small scale and amongst fans and friends. AFAIK the list holds somewhere close to around 500 members.

So would this be acceptable? Bearing in mind I have presumed and I nearly always get the wrong end of the stick. Any way of getting input from the men at the top?

Ross

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