How is a printed book different from recorded audio? ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "Life Is Short, Eat Dessert First!" - Jaques Torres
It isn't both are cages... fixing the creative thought into a rigid repeatable form. Open air reading and performance make the piece change as it has to compete with the chaotic life-noise around it and the creative thought becomes un-fixed by its new unique interpretation. Or is it mescaline that does that? -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Touzimsky Sent: 25 September 2010 13:41 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: [KLF] The 17 - Something I have been wondering about... How is a printed book different from recorded audio? ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "Life Is Short, Eat Dessert First!" - Jaques Torres _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
A different part of your brain works when reading and your own mind creates a more vivid picture. Audio books are lazy, but at the same time more time efficient as you could play them in a car whilst driving. -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Touzimsky Sent: 25 September 2010 13:41 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: [KLF] The 17 - Something I have been wondering about... How is a printed book different from recorded audio? ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "Life Is Short, Eat Dessert First!" - Jaques Torres _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
You all seem to miss the point I was trying to make. :-D ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "Size: XL. I'd say it was unisex. It looks unisex to me. Perhaps if you wear this shirt you will get more unisex." - (Item description on eBay)
On Mon, Sep 27th, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Thomas Touzimsky <tto@klf.de> wrote:
You all seem to miss the point I was trying to make. :-D
I didn't. The whole point of the 17 being unrecorded is that each performance exists as a rumination, a memory, a concept, an ideal - the book is about this, and is in no way equivalent to a collection of sound recordings.
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 16:21, Chris <mute@tpg.com.au> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27th, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Thomas Touzimsky <tto@klf.de> wrote:
You all seem to miss the point I was trying to make. :-D
I didn't. The whole point of the 17 being unrecorded is that each performance exists as a rumination, a memory, a concept, an ideal - the book is about this, and is in no way equivalent to a collection of sound recordings.
It sounds like you did. Why not just give talks, share ruminations and conversation, build memories and explore an ideal rather than writing it down for posterity and mass consumption?
On Mon, Sep 27th, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Juli Mallett <jmallett@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
You all seem to miss the point I was trying to make. :-D
I didn't. The whole point of the 17 being unrecorded is that each performance exists as a rumination, a memory, a concept, an ideal - the book is about this, and is in no way equivalent to a collection of sound recordings.
It sounds like you did. Why not just give talks, share ruminations and conversation, build memories and explore an ideal rather than writing it down for posterity and mass consumption?
a) Bill likes organising his thoughts b) the book is about A SHITLOAD MORE of his thoughts on music and listening than just The 17 events! c) writing books is p much his dayjob Why even bother to actually hold the 17 performances when he could just think about them and scratch his arse?
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 22:09, Chris <mute@tpg.com.au> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27th, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Juli Mallett <jmallett@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
You all seem to miss the point I was trying to make. :-D
I didn't. The whole point of the 17 being unrecorded is that each performance exists as a rumination, a memory, a concept, an ideal - the book is about this, and is in no way equivalent to a collection of sound recordings.
It sounds like you did. Why not just give talks, share ruminations and conversation, build memories and explore an ideal rather than writing it down for posterity and mass consumption?
a) Bill likes organising his thoughts b) the book is about A SHITLOAD MORE of his thoughts on music and listening than just The 17 events! c) writing books is p much his dayjob
Why even bother to actually hold the 17 performances when he could just think about them and scratch his arse?
You're still missing the point, I think. I'll try again: Bill could have recorded an album of music about talking about The17 with people instead of writing a book about it, since publishing books is dead. For the same reason that recorded albums are out of Bill's favor, perhaps the written word in dead tree form ought to be, too. Or at least it's amusing to poke fun at.
On Mon, Sep 27th, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Juli Mallett <jmallett@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
You're still missing the point, I think. I'll try again: Bill could have recorded an album of music about talking about The17 with people instead of writing a book about it, since publishing books is dead. For the same reason that recorded albums are out of Bill's favor, perhaps the written word in dead tree form ought to be, too. Or at least it's amusing to poke fun at.
How many of the reasons that he gives in the book for recorded albums being out of favour with him also apply to book publishing?
-----Original Message----- From: Juli Mallett [mailto:jmallett@FreeBSD.org] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 00:16 AM To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] The 17 - Something I have been wondering about...
You're still missing the point, I think. I'll try again: Bill could have recorded an album of music about talking about The17 with people instead of writing a book about it, since publishing books is dead. For the same reason that recorded albums are out of Bill's favor, perhaps the written word in dead tree form ought to be, too. Or at least it's amusing to poke fun at.
"Publishing books" =/= "the written word in dead tree form" -- Micah Stupak micah@benthic.cc
This was your original question, where's a point to miss? How is a printed book different from recorded audio? ..::// Thomas Touzimsky _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Regarding the point Bill Drummond was trying to make about the death of recorded music. I don't think a printed book is that different, so why isn't print dead from his point of view? ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "No ice sold after 4 PM, especially 5 cent pieces." - Shop sign in Baltimore Am 29.09.2010 um 22:50 schrieb Elliott:
This was your original question, where's a point to miss?
How is a printed book different from recorded audio?
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On Thu, Sep 30th, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Thomas Touzimsky <tto@klf.de> wrote:
Regarding the point Bill Drummond was trying to make about the death of recorded music. I don't think a printed book is that different, so why isn't print dead from his point of view?
This one's easy: because you're not him. The question does not follow from the postulate. Also, recorded music is 120 years old, a tiny bubble in the history of human communication, of which music has always been a part. Printed books are 550 years old, but the concept (and practice!) of storing words on paper is thousands of years old.
I see your original point, but I don't agree that a printed book isn't that different, but I definately get where you're coming from. They are both essentially works which can be stored. Reading requires the person doing the reading to engage and use his/her own imagination far more than they would when engaging with music. With music it's all handed to you on a plate. When you read your imagination has a far bigger part to play. On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Thomas Touzimsky <tto@klf.de> wrote:
Regarding the point Bill Drummond was trying to make about the death of recorded music. I don't think a printed book is that different, so why isn't print dead from his point of view?
..::// Thomas Touzimsky
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Am 29.09.2010 um 22:50 schrieb Elliott:
This was your original question, where's a point to miss?
How is a printed book different from recorded audio?
..::// Thomas Touzimsky
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