Certainly PT5 is very very Orb-ish with the freight train effects - in fact it's hardly a song at all; more a journey into sampling and sound effects. You could pretty much say that wouldn't be out of place on an Orb album. Compare that though to PT1, with it's simple bass line and repeating drum track, and you could maybe appreciate why Alex wouldn't feel that was what the Orb were about. PT1=rave, PT5=on your back, toking... Also, we've no guarantee (although I stand to be corrected) that the PT tracks were released in the order they were recorded (certainly sticking PT3 and PT4 into the mix shows a chronological breakdown right away) so it's possible that they (PT2 and PT5, at least) started out as Orb tracks, then PT1 came along and - rather than waste some damn good tunes, they were put out under the then fledgling banner of 'The KLF'. Even comparing the 'first' KLF record (KLF002) to the PT series shows a huge leap from minimalistic scratching and sampling to a much more polished sound - quite a feat in less than 12 months! -----Original Message----- From: John Milne [mailto:john@highlandland.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 17 October 2005 16:16 To: Chris Peel Subject: RE: RE: [KLF] Mummy Don't/Hello (Good To Be Back) Samples Interesting. A lot of people refer to PT1 & PT2 as being "more ambient in feel" ... maybe it's the great unknown truth of the KLF! John

Message Received: Oct 17 2005, 04:14 PM From: "Chris Peel" To: john@highlandland.fsnet.co.uk, "'All bound for Mu-Mu Land.'" Cc: Subject: RE: RE: [KLF] Mummy Don't/Hello (Good To Be Back) Samples

You could also speculate that the PT series was actually going to be Orb releases but for some reason (maybe due to artistic differences) it never happened and with Bill's uncanny business sense Jimmy and Bill decided to release them under the name 'KLF'...

From someone who shared a squat/hovel/bedsit for a few years with some other DJs it's very easy to appreciate how tracks can be created by one person, then almost 'divvied' up between different bands depending on what kind of audience that band was trying to appeal to at the time.

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From: klf-bounces+chris=k23productions.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces+chris=k23productions.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of John Milne Sent: 17 October 2005 15:31 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: RE: [KLF] Mummy Don't/Hello (Good To Be Back) Samples

I think it's safe to say that "Mummy Don't" is more of an Orb title than a KLF title, and if it was recorded early 1989 it certainly shows more commercial savvy than "Tripping on Sunshine" or the "Kiss EP". Two possibilities: (1) it wasn't called "Mummy Don't" originally, but "3 AM Eternal (Blue Danube)" and the refined, or (2) if "3AM" had been released autumn 1988, possibly in its flamenco style, rather than summer 1989, this track would have been an Orb "companion single". Bare in mind, Alex compiled the "What Time is Love" story, and the lines between KLF and Orb in mid-to-late 1989 were very blurred.

Did "Chill Out" contain some of Alex's bits, and has "Space" eradicated everything he contributed ... I wonder ...?

John

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From: thomas@klf.de To: "KLF Mailing List" Cc: Subject: Re: RE: [KLF] Mummy Don't/Hello (Good To Be Back) Samples

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where do (a) the "Eternaaaals" (presumably recorded 88/89 - by the same "chorus" as "Doctoring the Tardis"?)

Those *could* have been taken from an early recording. Keep in mind that Graham Lee told us that they recorded at least one unkown "flamenco" version of 3AM of which the date is unkown...

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and (b) the Jesus Loves You samples come from?

This, however, is a really good point, since "After The Love" has been released in 1989.

Since the Blue Danube Orbital remix of 3AM got released in May 1989, Mummy Don't was probably recorded earlier that year. Unless of course Mummy Don't is a remix of 3AM instead.

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