I find a lot of the comments of the bootlegging issue a bit out of line. Seems like some people still think it's the early 90's when everyone and their uncle bought hundreds of CDs. I would be very surprised if the Recovered & Remastered series even broke even. They are obvioulsy manufactued in a very limited run. My guess would be maximum 500 copies each and I hardly think they sell more than a few hundred of each title. The production cost of 500 factory pressed CDs is fairly high. Add to that all the hours put in mixing, editing and "cleaning" the masters, and producing high quality artwork. These bootlegs are very well made, a true labour of love. If the guy makes a few bob at the end of the day, good luck to him. Peter
100% agreed. Also, it's funny to see how easy it is for people to pass judgement and to come up with bullshit to discern what's good bootlegging from what's bad bootlegging. On 24 September 2013 06:20, Peter Granstrom <ruskprick@hotmail.com> wrote:
I find a lot of the comments of the bootlegging issue a bit out of line. Seems like some people still think it's the early 90's when everyone and their uncle bought hundreds of CDs. I would be very surprised if the Recovered & Remastered series even broke even. They are obvioulsy manufactued in a very limited run. My guess would be maximum 500 copies each and I hardly think they sell more than a few hundred of each title. The production cost of 500 factory pressed CDs is fairly high. Add to that all the hours put in mixing, editing and "cleaning" the masters, and producing high quality artwork. These bootlegs are very well made, a true labour of love. If the guy makes a few bob at the end of the day, good luck to him.
Peter
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Its funny how you've managed in the space of one sentence to completely contradict yourself by qualifying as "bullshit" every argument which doesn't go your way. -- Xav Sent with Airmail On 24 septembre 2013 at 07:25:41, Orbstreperous Fritz (orb@ocara.org) wrote: 100% agreed. Also, it's funny to see how easy it is for people to pass judgement and to come up with bullshit to discern what's good bootlegging from what's bad bootlegging. On 24 September 2013 06:20, Peter Granstrom <ruskprick@hotmail.com> wrote: I find a lot of the comments of the bootlegging issue a bit out of line. Seems like some people still think it's the early 90's when everyone and their uncle bought hundreds of CDs. I would be very surprised if the Recovered & Remastered series even broke even. They are obvioulsy manufactued in a very limited run. My guess would be maximum 500 copies each and I hardly think they sell more than a few hundred of each title. The production cost of 500 factory pressed CDs is fairly high. Add to that all the hours put in mixing, editing and "cleaning" the masters, and producing high quality artwork. These bootlegs are very well made, a true labour of love. If the guy makes a few bob at the end of the day, good luck to him. Peter _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Its funny how you've managed in the space of one sentence to completely contradict yourself by qualifying as "bullshit" every argument which doesn't go your way. -- Xav Sent with Airmail On 24 septembre 2013 at 07:25:41, Orbstreperous Fritz (orb@ocara.org) wrote: 100% agreed. Also, it's funny to see how easy it is for people to pass judgement and to come up with bullshit to discern what's good bootlegging from what's bad bootlegging. On 24 September 2013 06:20, Peter Granstrom <ruskprick@hotmail.com> wrote: I find a lot of the comments of the bootlegging issue a bit out of line. Seems like some people still think it's the early 90's when everyone and their uncle bought hundreds of CDs. I would be very surprised if the Recovered & Remastered series even broke even. They are obvioulsy manufactued in a very limited run. My guess would be maximum 500 copies each and I hardly think they sell more than a few hundred of each title. The production cost of 500 factory pressed CDs is fairly high. Add to that all the hours put in mixing, editing and "cleaning" the masters, and producing high quality artwork. These bootlegs are very well made, a true labour of love. If the guy makes a few bob at the end of the day, good luck to him. Peter _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Apologies for the duplicate, my email client crashed. -- Xav Sent with Airmail On 24 septembre 2013 at 09:49:31, Xav (alunare@gmail.com) wrote: Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Its funny how you've managed in the space of one sentence to completely contradict yourself by qualifying as "bullshit" every argument which doesn't go your way. -- Xav Sent with Airmail On 24 septembre 2013 at 07:25:41, Orbstreperous Fritz (orb@ocara.org) wrote: 100% agreed. Also, it's funny to see how easy it is for people to pass judgement and to come up with bullshit to discern what's good bootlegging from what's bad bootlegging. On 24 September 2013 06:20, Peter Granstrom <ruskprick@hotmail.com> wrote: I find a lot of the comments of the bootlegging issue a bit out of line. Seems like some people still think it's the early 90's when everyone and their uncle bought hundreds of CDs. I would be very surprised if the Recovered & Remastered series even broke even. They are obvioulsy manufactued in a very limited run. My guess would be maximum 500 copies each and I hardly think they sell more than a few hundred of each title. The production cost of 500 factory pressed CDs is fairly high. Add to that all the hours put in mixing, editing and "cleaning" the masters, and producing high quality artwork. These bootlegs are very well made, a true labour of love. If the guy makes a few bob at the end of the day, good luck to him. Peter _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
On 24.9.2013 8:23, Orbstreperous Fritz wrote:
100% agreed.
Also, it's funny to see how easy it is for people to pass judgement and to come up with bullshit to discern what's good bootlegging from what's bad bootlegging.
So you don't see difference between mass produced bootlegs sold on ebay and few limited copies for example for this list members only? -- anttil.
And, also, these Remastered and Recovered CD's were initially on ebay for £100 a pot... So, they attempt to sell them from between 9.99 and 100 quid... Now, that's a tad naughty! :p On 24 September 2013 09:58, Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> wrote:
On 24.9.2013 8:23, Orbstreperous Fritz wrote:
100% agreed.
Also, it's funny to see how easy it is for people to pass judgement and to come up with bullshit to discern what's good bootlegging from what's bad bootlegging.
So you don't see difference between mass produced bootlegs sold on ebay and few limited copies for example for this list members only?
-- anttil.
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Probably because they thought you'd buy them Nick! Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Nick King <nickwking@ntlworld.com> Sender: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:15:33 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land.<klf@mailman.xmission.com> Reply-To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [KLF] Bootlegging
LOL - very true! :p ;) On 24 September 2013 10:25, <djphilmanns@btinternet.com> wrote:
Probably because they thought you'd buy them Nick! Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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I dont see why Martin & his Friends should only make a limited run just for this list.. If you own any of the remodelled series and see the countless hours gone into producing, mixing, art work, ect ect... Then you'll understand why they do it... Its a labour of love for them. I own most of the series & even i missed out on a "only 3 copies pressed release". Half of the material cannot be classed as bootlegging as half of these tracks are remixes & not original. It seems that a few on this list just want everything for free... Which is sad as most on this list have paid out thousands of pounds for a "Kollection worth Collecting"... Keep Listening Forever Sent from KITT
On 24 Sep 2013, at 09:58, Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> wrote:
So you don't see difference between mass produced bootlegs sold on ebay and few limited copies for example for this list members only?
-- anttil.
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On 24.9.2013 12:23, Theritesofmu wrote:
It seems that a few on this list just want everything for free... Which is sad as most on this list have paid out thousands of pounds for a "Kollection worth Collecting"...
I hope you didn't mean me, as I consider myself as "most". I'm willing to give my left testicle for some of the rarities if that's the case. I also do own few of R&R CDs, and like I have said before, I do understand the effort put on those. But I still don't like the money revolving around it. These releases are already so productized that it can not be considered labour of love, even if they're well done. I might sound hypocrite here, when I have bought those releases, but that's how I think. Just wanted to point out that there is differences between different types of bootlegs. -- anttil.
So how many of you own the original black CD versions? ;-) Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2013, at 12:10, "Thomas Touzimsky" <touzimsky@web.de> wrote:
I don't think it's that easy.
When Dan and me put together Remodelled & Remixed ten years ago we sunk countless hours into creating all the tracks with whatever software we had lying around at the time. Autostretching samples was nothing but a wet dream (ahem) so I sat down with a calculator (!) and tried to figure out by which amount I had to stretch a sample in Cool Edit to make it fit the current song's tempo. On top of that, we snuck in samples from a far better sounding version of TWROST than the one that was available at the time, though a corresponding upload of the remastered version (don't remember who it was) somewhat stole that thunder. ;) Dan created the artwork - which, let's be honest, is slightly more sophisticated than just a KLF logo on white background with the disc's name in Compacta below - we had sleeves printed, burned all the discs on black CDRs we had to order since they weren't sold in stores... et cetera.
And yet we never intended to make a fortune from Remodelled & Remixed. It was announced as a limited edition of 100 copies and sold at what I think was a fair price for 12 full-length tracks. I think we kind of broke even at the end of the day.
Selling a nice collection of tracks at a reasonable price is a fair deal in my opinion. Putting them on eBay for 100 quid to rip off the die-hard fans and early adopters who buy such releases at any price just in case they never reappear again... not so much.
- Thomas
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It seems that a few on this list just want everything for free... Which is sad as most on this list have paid out thousands of pounds for a "Kollection worth Collecting"... _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
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Lets just say that i believe that anyone going through all the trouble of making printed, manufactured CDs in a limited run with The KLF printed on it has something else in mind than "Labour of love" and "doing it for the music". This has $$$ printed all over. I know, I've done it in the past :) (hangs head in shame) -- Xav Sent with Airmail On 24 septembre 2013 at 10:59:57, Antti Lavio (antti.lavio@possu.org) wrote: On 24.9.2013 8:23, Orbstreperous Fritz wrote:
100% agreed.
Also, it's funny to see how easy it is for people to pass judgement and to come up with bullshit to discern what's good bootlegging from what's bad bootlegging.
So you don't see difference between mass produced bootlegs sold on ebay and few limited copies for example for this list members only? -- anttil. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
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