RE: Blurb& Bill Hicks and 911 (again)
The debate about 911 has been most interesting. It started off flame-like and contentious but this week's posts have turned it into a much more constructive debate. Its good to see a bit of passion. I am currently reading 'ALice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster' by David Icke. Very interesting as lots of it refers to the story we all heard trumpeted in the media (the amazing discovery of the passport in a New York street etc) with a very thorough trawl through the stuff they didn't tell us (like how come the most sophosticated surveillance centre in the world www.cheyennemountain.af.mil failed to track 4 rogue planes over some of the most protected areas of the USA).
my impression of Icke (he IS the former footballer, correct?) is that he's half thoughtful analysis of what's termed "conspiracy lore" and half "way out there" since his analysis seems to be pretty right on most of the time, I wonder how accurate he is about the "way out there" stuff! honestly, though, one doesn't even need a "way out there" attitude or view to see the holes in the "official" story of the event: for example, you mention the question "how come the most sophisticated surveillance centre in the world failed to track 4 rogue planes over some of the most protected areas of the USA?" common sense will tell you "simple. they COULDN'T. and they DIDN'T" another one that springs to mind is the wreckage of the plane that passengers forced down (although, the FBI has changed this story recently, claiming that the highjackers, under threat from passengers, crashed it themselves, as if that made any more sense) was strewn over 8 MILES - when, in history, has a plane crashed, and CONTINUED to crash, for 8 miles? again, common sense will tell you that a plane CAN NOT crash for 8 MILES or, take the "highjackers" - how could BBC report that at least half of them were alive after the event? common sense will tell you that the highjackers probably wouldn't use their own names when committing crimes, and that the names and faces trumpeted in the media aren't the real highjackers simple stuff really - as I said before, you don't even need to be an Icke to figure this stuff out you don't even need to be a "conspiracy theorist" you just need common sense
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:48:58PM -0400, our.webstuff@verizon.net wrote:
my impression of Icke (he IS the former footballer, correct?)
Aye, that's the chap.
is that he's half thoughtful analysis of what's termed "conspiracy lore" and half "way out there"
since his analysis seems to be pretty right on most of the time, I wonder how accurate he is about the "way out there" stuff!
Apparently a lot of the really out there stuff has been misattributed to him. The royal family as space lizards and so on.
you just need common sense
yes, but... "Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." - Bertrand Russell
This guy used to come into the record shop I worked in (as did some future pop stars) who was on a different reality. He had a sign on his shirt and claimed it was a tree word. 2 mins into conversation with this guys reality the other guy i worked with was on the floor with laughter. I questioned this guy but he could justify his whole reality, part of which included.. He was previously an 11 mile long lizard driving an electric space car which could go at several universes per second. CKLICk is a tree word which could not be translated. Something about the green people who all used to live in the sea. However much you questioned this chap he could come up with an answer, very bizarre. Aparently his house is brightly coloured and a bit strange? Somebody probably has a web page about him somewhere, he lives in Southampton. Anyhow we did find 15 mint copies of it's grim up North upstairs one day (the chart 12"). So that is my KLF link. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Wakely <cow@compsoc.man.ac.uk> To: <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [KLF] RE: Blurb& Bill Hicks and 911 (again)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:48:58PM -0400, our.webstuff@verizon.net wrote:
my impression of Icke (he IS the former footballer, correct?)
Aye, that's the chap.
is that he's half thoughtful analysis of what's termed "conspiracy lore" and half "way out there"
since his analysis seems to be pretty right on most of the time, I wonder how accurate he is about the "way out there" stuff!
Apparently a lot of the really out there stuff has been misattributed to him. The royal family as space lizards and so on.
you just need common sense
yes, but...
"Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." - Bertrand Russell
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 06:01:20PM +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
you just need common sense
yes, but...
"Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." - Bertrand Russell
Not targeted to you or most personally but since when does "common sense" and "thinking" mean you HAVE to disagree with the majourity of what everyone else says, and agreeing with it considered "close minded" or "ignorant?" I for one, an immigrant to the US from the former East Germany, am tired of being harrassed and called names for being a republican and not denying everything the govt says. I heard someone say something along the lines of "Everything the majourity says is a lie, unless of course it makes them look bad by defualt, then it's the truth in the strictest sense." -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:43:27PM -0400, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 06:01:20PM +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
you just need common sense
yes, but...
"Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." - Bertrand Russell
Not targeted to you or most personally but since when does "common sense" and "thinking" mean you HAVE to disagree with the majourity of what everyone else says, and agreeing with it considered "close minded" or "ignorant?"
Dunno, beats me. I didn't claim anything of the sort. In fact, I didn't even use the words close-minded (except in response to gene.c when he accused me of being close-minded) or ignorant in any post recently. I didn't even mention agreeing or disagreeing with the majority. All I did was quote a pithy aphorism because I thought it would make me look big and clever.
I for one, an immigrant to the US from the former East Germany, am tired of being harrassed and called names for being a republican and not denying everything the govt says.
Hmm, and left-wingers don't get called names in the US? Pinko-commie scum etc. I'd imagine where you live in the US would have a lot to do with whether the left-wingers or right-wingers get called names.
I heard someone say something along the lines of "Everything the majourity says is a lie, unless of course it makes them look bad by defualt, then it's the truth in the strictest sense."
Well that's just silly. jon -- "Probably all laws are useless; for good men do not need laws at all, and bad men are made no better by them." - Demonax the Cynic
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:11:55AM +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:43:27PM -0400, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 06:01:20PM +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
you just need common sense
yes, but...
"Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." - Bertrand Russell
Not targeted to you or most personally but since when does "common sense" and "thinking" mean you HAVE to disagree with the majourity of what everyone else says, and agreeing with it considered "close minded" or "ignorant?"
Dunno, beats me. I didn't claim anything of the sort.
In fact, I didn't even use the words close-minded (except in response to gene.c when he accused me of being close-minded) or ignorant in any post recently. I didn't even mention agreeing or disagreeing with the majority. All I did was quote a pithy aphorism because I thought it would make me look big and clever.
I for one, an immigrant to the US from the former East Germany, am tired of being harrassed and called names for being a republican and not denying everything the govt says.
Hmm, and left-wingers don't get called names in the US? Pinko-commie scum etc. I'd imagine where you live in the US would have a lot to do with whether the left-wingers or right-wingers get called names.
Probably... I live in a kind of concervative region (nothern New England). It just seems mostly in interwebland that liberal ideas are mostly the majourity. Someone once explained and interesting theory behind this, but I've forgotten most of it. I'll look though. -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified
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