Well I have to say that I do agree with what Xavier said. It is one thing (although probably not legal as well) to distribute this stuff for free among the small group of list members, but it is another thing to put such items on eBay for sale. And: I'm sure the KLF did not make money from sampling the Beatles or ABBA :) Sampling is not comparable to selling loads of music without holding the copyright. But other people might think different about this. Nevertheless, no need to shout! Best regards Bert ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- From: Bill Pilkington <williampilkington@yahoo.com.au> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [KLF] consider this? this subject of making money from The KLF (Kopyright Liberation Front) makes me laugh... did Whitney or Petula Clarke or The Beatles see a dime from KLF's use of their copyrighted recordings... NO THEY DID NOT!!! the way i see it is that a bunch of dudes on here are uptight that their precious low circulation collected shares are in danger of being exploited and commercialized on, just as KLF did to others. only difference is Jimmy and Bill didn't bitch about it. just lighten up and let karma run it's course... ------------------------------ *From:* Xav <alunare@gmail.com> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com>; Antti Lavio < antti.lavio@possu.org> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 September 2013 11:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [KLF] consider this? Well i don't mind paying someone for the price of the USB stick, postage and time taken. I do take issue however on people making money on The KLF's work. I find that objectionable. However, i will recant on the R&R Volumes that are original remixes, then if its the remix artist selling them and getting the cash, thats cool. --XavSent with Airmail <http://airmailapp.info/tracking> To: "klf@mailman.xmission.com" <klf@mailman.xmission.com>
All of this has been discussed here before and basically it comes down to two things: 1) Creating new songs or art piece by sampling other artists and selling those 2) Bootlegging artists and selling those For me there's is huge difference between whose two, but of course there are other factors. Bootleg might something that is not available or is impossible to obtain. Or bootleg might me well made and remastered. For example, Ultra Rare Trax is bootleg but is still considered as a collectable item. Nevertheless, no matter how good or rare bootleg is, it's still not the same thing as creating something totally new from old. -- anttil. On 23.9.2013 14:39, Bert Klauninger wrote:
Well I have to say that I do agree with what Xavier said. It is one thing (although probably not legal as well) to distribute this stuff for free among the small group of list members, but it is another thing to put such items on eBay for sale.
And: I'm sure the KLF did not make money from sampling the Beatles or ABBA :) Sampling is not comparable to selling loads of music without holding the copyright.
But other people might think different about this. Nevertheless, no need to shout!
Best regards Bert
---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- From: Bill Pilkington <williampilkington@yahoo.com.au <mailto:williampilkington@yahoo.com.au>> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>> Cc: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [KLF] consider this? this subject of making money from The KLF (Kopyright Liberation Front) makes me laugh... did Whitney or Petula Clarke or The Beatles see a dime from KLF's use of their copyrighted recordings... NO THEY DID NOT!!! the way i see it is that a bunch of dudes on here are uptight that their precious low circulation collected shares are in danger of being exploited and commercialized on, just as KLF did to others. only difference is Jimmy and Bill didn't bitch about it. just lighten up and let karma run it's course...
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Xav <alunare@gmail.com <mailto:alunare@gmail.com>> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>>; Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org <mailto:antti.lavio@possu.org>> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 September 2013 11:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [KLF] consider this?
Well i don't mind paying someone for the price of the USB stick, postage and time taken.
I do take issue however on people making money on The KLF's work. I find that objectionable.
However, i will recant on the R&R Volumes that are original remixes, then if its the remix artist selling them and getting the cash, thats cool. --XavSent with Airmail <http://airmailapp.info/tracking> To: "klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>" <klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>>
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I think if you want to sell your exclusive mixes to to a small group of like minded KLF fans to cover costs is ok. But producing 100's of CDs for sale on Ebay a bit dodgy. I thought the recovered series started as a group thing but has turned into a money maker. I once tried to sell my copy of the Original White Room demos. The original one produced in the 1990s with coloured sleeve on Ebay and someone out there said I was breaching copyright and it was removed from sale. How come all these 'bootlegs' are allowed? Sent from my iPhone On 23 Sep 2013, at 13:24, "Antti Lavio" <antti.lavio@possu.org> wrote:
All of this has been discussed here before and basically it comes down to two things:
1) Creating new songs or art piece by sampling other artists and selling those
2) Bootlegging artists and selling those
For me there's is huge difference between whose two, but of course there are other factors. Bootleg might something that is not available or is impossible to obtain. Or bootleg might me well made and remastered. For example, Ultra Rare Trax is bootleg but is still considered as a collectable item.
Nevertheless, no matter how good or rare bootleg is, it's still not the same thing as creating something totally new from old.
-- anttil.
On 23.9.2013 14:39, Bert Klauninger wrote:
Well I have to say that I do agree with what Xavier said. It is one thing (although probably not legal as well) to distribute this stuff for free among the small group of list members, but it is another thing to put such items on eBay for sale.
And: I'm sure the KLF did not make money from sampling the Beatles or ABBA :) Sampling is not comparable to selling loads of music without holding the copyright.
But other people might think different about this. Nevertheless, no need to shout!
Best regards Bert
---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- From: Bill Pilkington <williampilkington@yahoo.com.au <mailto:williampilkington@yahoo.com.au>> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>> Cc: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [KLF] consider this? this subject of making money from The KLF (Kopyright Liberation Front) makes me laugh... did Whitney or Petula Clarke or The Beatles see a dime from KLF's use of their copyrighted recordings... NO THEY DID NOT!!! the way i see it is that a bunch of dudes on here are uptight that their precious low circulation collected shares are in danger of being exploited and commercialized on, just as KLF did to others. only difference is Jimmy and Bill didn't bitch about it. just lighten up and let karma run it's course...
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Xav <alunare@gmail.com <mailto:alunare@gmail.com>> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>>; Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org <mailto:antti.lavio@possu.org>> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 September 2013 11:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [KLF] consider this?
Well i don't mind paying someone for the price of the USB stick, postage and time taken.
I do take issue however on people making money on The KLF's work. I find that objectionable.
However, i will recant on the R&R Volumes that are original remixes, then if its the remix artist selling them and getting the cash, thats cool. --XavSent with Airmail <http://airmailapp.info/tracking> To: "klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>" <klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>>
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The person that reported you to ebay is more than likely the one selling all the bootlegs. If it bothers anyone on the list too much, as it seems to, then report them to ebay. I sold a few burn a million quid dvd's on ebay an age ago for a around £3ish + p&p, but I justified, (& Ancient), that by originally recording and keeping the VHS myself and years later converting it to DVD and even added a photocopy of their last KLF newsletter. And don't forget 'Kopyright Liberation Front' says it all! over and out EL J -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of tom dawson Sent: 23 September 2013 14:03 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] consider this? I think if you want to sell your exclusive mixes to to a small group of like minded KLF fans to cover costs is ok. But producing 100's of CDs for sale on Ebay a bit dodgy. I thought the recovered series started as a group thing but has turned into a money maker. I once tried to sell my copy of the Original White Room demos. The original one produced in the 1990s with coloured sleeve on Ebay and someone out there said I was breaching copyright and it was removed from sale. How come all these 'bootlegs' are allowed? Sent from my iPhone On 23 Sep 2013, at 13:24, "Antti Lavio" <antti.lavio@possu.org> wrote:
All of this has been discussed here before and basically it comes down to
two things:
1) Creating new songs or art piece by sampling other artists and selling those
2) Bootlegging artists and selling those
For me there's is huge difference between whose two, but of course there
are other factors. Bootleg might something that is not available or is impossible to obtain. Or bootleg might me well made and remastered. For example, Ultra Rare Trax is bootleg but is still considered as a collectable item.
Nevertheless, no matter how good or rare bootleg is, it's still not the
same thing as creating something totally new from old.
-- anttil.
On 23.9.2013 14:39, Bert Klauninger wrote:
Well I have to say that I do agree with what Xavier said. It is one thing (although probably not legal as well) to distribute this stuff for free among the small group of list members, but it is another thing to put such items on eBay for sale.
And: I'm sure the KLF did not make money from sampling the Beatles or ABBA :) Sampling is not comparable to selling loads of music without holding the copyright.
But other people might think different about this. Nevertheless, no need to shout!
Best regards Bert
---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- From: Bill Pilkington <williampilkington@yahoo.com.au <mailto:williampilkington@yahoo.com.au>> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>> Cc: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [KLF] consider this? this subject of making money from The KLF (Kopyright Liberation Front) makes me laugh... did Whitney or Petula Clarke or The Beatles see a dime from KLF's use of their copyrighted recordings... NO THEY DID NOT!!! the way i see it is that a bunch of dudes on here are uptight that their precious low circulation collected shares are in danger of being exploited and commercialized on, just as KLF did to others. only difference is Jimmy and Bill didn't bitch about it. just lighten up and let karma run it's course...
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*From:* Xav <alunare@gmail.com <mailto:alunare@gmail.com>> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>>; Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org <mailto:antti.lavio@possu.org>> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 September 2013 11:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [KLF] consider this?
Well i don't mind paying someone for the price of the USB stick, postage and time taken.
I do take issue however on people making money on The KLF's work. I find that objectionable.
However, i will recant on the R&R Volumes that are original remixes, then if its the remix artist selling them and getting the cash, thats cool. --XavSent with Airmail <http://airmailapp.info/tracking> To: "klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>" <klf@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com>>
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