What say you B+J.....? Sent from KITT On 24 Aug 2011, at 13:45, John Milne <paranormalhandy@gmail.com> wrote:
To be fair to Bill, maybe he meant that the 17 might disappoint KLF fans (musically speaking) rather than it being a specific diss of their ever-shrinking old-school fan base. Jimmy's always been a bit of an enigma/scowling fucker - although, didn't he meet the KLF.de guys in their yellow robes a few years ago, at a press conference, and told the press to "ignore them, they're harmless" ...? He seems to fluctuate between fondness ("Ah, Scooter", etc) and too-cool-for-school haughtiness.
On the other hand, if I were at something with Bill Drummond and he said "any KLF fans? Just leave - now" then I would. He's an intelligent man, and a scholar of pop music for more years than I've been on the planet. He of all people should know how he'll never entirely step out of the KLF's shadow. Anything more than that, and he's just being an arse.
John
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Bert Klauninger <bk@ssi.at> wrote:
Honestly - I don't think that Bill's books (which are in fact quite well-written imo) or 17 or Jimmy's art pranks would have ever caught my attention, without their KLF past. To put their fans down (and they aren't legion - 19 years after they left the music business) means for me that they neglect those people who made their current activities possible.
"If you really want to do something, do it now" - Yeah, Bill, but it's easier with a KLF Platinum Card, isn't it.
Best regards Bert
---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- From: "Dan T. Hutchins" <danthutchins@gmail.com> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:27:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [KLF] Are the FLK too slim to be the KLF? Disappointing to hear that they hate us so much they don't want to do anything K-related. What a couple of c***ts.
Dan
On Aug 24, 2011, at 6:11 AM, "Ross Jarvis" <jarvmeister@gmail.com> wrote:
A few months back I was contacted by a list member directly. It was around the time I was doing the car.
To cut a long story short, they had had some very close dealings with Jimmy, and during their time together Jimmy mentioned that he had no inclination to have anything to do with the KLF owing mainly to being put off by fans.
If I was to break it down, my own opinion would be that Jimmy is now involved with his art, Bill with The 17. I would imagine that both will have had to work quite hard to distance themselves from their dealings with the KLF in order for their current work to be recognised in its own right. At a 17 talk I went to, Bill invited people to leave if they were there in any way because of the KLF.
It seems like it would be more hypocritical than anything else if Bill and Jimmy had any involvement.
That’s just my input.
From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of John Milne Sent: 24 August 2011 10:06 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Are the FLK too slim to be the KLF?
Possibly - although Fuck the Millennium was rather pedestrian, I always thought. I think Bill implied this was all part of the whole 1997 2K thing being a "parody" of bands reforming (specifically the Pistols getting together the year before) and the naffness of it. But maybe not. The fact they were sampling the Chemical Brothers on a KLF record always seemed ... odd.
But yeah, if they wanted to do something, the one thing it wouldn't be would be what they've done before.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Morphy <themorphy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The actual music The FLK are creating really lacks the sheer inventiveness of B&J in my opinion. It's unimaginative and the production is mediocre. One thing B&J always did well (apart from arguably the early JAMS stuff) was turn out a well produced product. I don't see why they would drop all of their music business contacts and now be making boring copy & paste music that sounds like it was made in Reason. The use of samples and editing by Cauty on "Space" outstrips this FLK stuff by a few lightyears - and that was 20 years ago. I just think if this was actually B&J they would have pulled out all the stops, and come out with something, well.. better!
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---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- From: "Ross Jarvis" <jarvmeister@gmail.com> To: "'All bound for Mu-Mu Land.'" <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:55:23 +0100 Subject: Re: [KLF] Are the FLK too slim to be the KLF? I only said Jimmy had been ‘put off’ doing anything further K related, I didn’t say he had a hatred for the fans.
I think it’s fairly common for artists that have been a seminal part of pop history to tire of the constant reference to their past, especially when they are trying to move forward in different directions. It’s like an actor getting typecast.
I don’t take it as an insult to the fans at all, but I think it’s to be respected, especially if I were lucky enough to meet either one of them again.
From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dan T. Hutchins Sent: 24 August 2011 12:27 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Are the FLK too slim to be the KLF?
Disappointing to hear that they hate us so much they don't want to do anything K-related. What a couple of c***ts.
Dan
On Aug 24, 2011, at 6:11 AM, "Ross Jarvis" <jarvmeister@gmail.com> wrote:
A few months back I was contacted by a list member directly. It was around the time I was doing the car.
To cut a long story short, they had had some very close dealings with Jimmy, and during their time together Jimmy mentioned that he had no inclination to have anything to do with the KLF owing mainly to being put off by fans.
If I was to break it down, my own opinion would be that Jimmy is now involved with his art, Bill with The 17. I would imagine that both will have had to work quite hard to distance themselves from their dealings with the KLF in order for their current work to be recognised in its own right. At a 17 talk I went to, Bill invited people to leave if they were there in any way because of the KLF.
It seems like it would be more hypocritical than anything else if Bill and Jimmy had any involvement.
That’s just my input.
From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of John Milne Sent: 24 August 2011 10:06 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] Are the FLK too slim to be the KLF?
Possibly - although Fuck the Millennium was rather pedestrian, I always thought. I think Bill implied this was all part of the whole 1997 2K thing being a "parody" of bands reforming (specifically the Pistols getting together the year before) and the naffness of it. But maybe not. The fact they were sampling the Chemical Brothers on a KLF record always seemed ... odd.
But yeah, if they wanted to do something, the one thing it wouldn't be would be what they've done before.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Morphy <themorphy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The actual music The FLK are creating really lacks the sheer inventiveness of B&J in my opinion. It's unimaginative and the production is mediocre. One thing B&J always did well (apart from arguably the early JAMS stuff) was turn out a well produced product. I don't see why they would drop all of their music business contacts and now be making boring copy & paste music that sounds like it was made in Reason. The use of samples and editing by Cauty on "Space" outstrips this FLK stuff by a few lightyears - and that was 20 years ago. I just think if this was actually B&J they would have pulled out all the stops, and come out with something, well.. better!
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