The Oasis - Progidy thing was just a comparison, it does'nt mean that KLF and Manics are the same as them, it just means that all of those acts rose to the top of their particular game. I was just making it a nice clean cut bit of symbolism, at one time Oasis were the biggest band in the UKand therefore a symbol of success whereaes bands like Crass and the Fall are symbols of obscurity. Its like when people use Hitler or Charles Manson as a symbol of evil and racism. Charles isnt the only serial killer in the world but he is the most famous and therefore appears on more Tshirts (he was even on South Park and Celebrity Deathmatch). Its like when I said about the Jag, I know Jimmy doesnt drive a Jag but Jags and mansions are symbols of success and wealth. And yes I agree with you, these mdern day hip hoppers are billboards for all of this corporate, mass produced designer shite. Any way, the point all along is this: what value do you place on credibility and authenticity? To put it in a simple way: a certain amount of Manics fans are hardcore Richey, no matter what the band do now they will think its crap. If the Manics released their best album next year they wont buy it because they wont except them without Richey. I still don't get ze point. Do you put them in ze same pigeonhole? The KLF and Richey among Oasis and Prodigy? Did Jimmy drive Jags or what? Nah, he had old Ford cop cars. Even when The KLF were "sell out", they did it their way: their PRANKS got more expensive (trip to Jura, burning money), NOT their cars or wristwatches....they never wore YSL or DKNY or Nike like those "faithful" hiphoppers today... a Gyerek _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail