For a number of years on rutracker, a Russian collector has been sporadically posting rare KLF material of varying quality, some of it really good. However, it all amounts to a wooden nickel, because most, if not all, of it is fake, i.e. things he sourced elsewhere and compiled onto never-before-seen collections just for sharing, along with implausible claims of their origins. Nevertheless, I'm interested in anything I don't have, so I've been checking it all out, seeing what's worth keeping, and seeing if I can trace the true origins of some each track. For example, I've confirmed that his Pure Trance "rare promo CDRs" are in fact homemade compilations of rips from various sources, sometimes just unedited copies from official CDs and sometimes remastered versions of vinyl rips which debuted relatively recently. Something has me puzzled, though. I'm hoping it can be answered by someone here. Ny questions are just about "What Time is Love? (Primal Remix)". First of all, looking over Lazlo's discography, I'm struck by two things: 1. Does the song really run 5:57 on the original 12" but only 5:40 on the Coma releases? That's a pretty significant difference, like 6%. What accounts for that? 2. Supposedly there's a CD release on Coma, but to date, no such disc has shown up in Discogs, so what's the deal with that? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The KLF: What Time Is Love? (pure trance original) [17 Oct 1988] single 12": 1989 UK (KLF Communications; KLF 004R) [24 Jul 89; yellow/black ps] 5:57 What Time Is Love? (primal remix) 4:28 What Time Is Love? (techno slam mix) 7:05 What Time Is Love? (original) [originally scheduled for 24 Oct 88] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The KLF: What Time Is Love? (live at trancentral) [30 Jul 1990] single 7": 1990 DK (Mega Records/Coma; COMA 7 011) [black/purple "COMA" sleeve] 5:26 What Time Is Love? (live at trancentral) 5:40 What Time Is Love? (primal remix) ["techno slam mix"] 12": 1990 DK (Mega Records/Coma COMA 12 7011) [COMA sleeve; some w/wrong lbl] CD5: 1990 DK (Mega Records/Coma COMA CD 7011) [may reverse last two tracks] 12": 1990 SE (??; ??) [purple sleeve] 5:30 What Time Is Love? (live at trancentral) 5:40 What Time Is Love? (primal remix) ["techno slam mix"] 7:05 What Time Is Love? (original) ["the 1988 pure trance mix"] 4:44 What Time Is Love? (techno gate mix) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And I've got another mystery... Via rutracker I've obtained a vinyl rip of KLF 004R (supposedly). The Primal Remix on there sounds like it's running at the correct speed, and it finishes just shy of 5:51. There are a few key features of this version I need to point out: • At 0:34 during the "door slam" sound, there's nothing extra on top of it. • At 5:14, at the same time as the "My God" sample, there's a trio of "tss" sounds, first in the center, then right, then left. • At 5:28 there's a truncated 2nd snare hit which sounds like an error. Meanwhle, the "promo CDR" guy's version runs just a hair faster, finishing ¾ of a second sooner than the other rip, closer to 5:50 than 5:51, no big deal. And for the most part, it's exactly the same as the other version. But at those three key points, there are some interesting differences: • At 0:34, on top of the slam sound, there's a pair of "sh" (low hiss) sounds, first quietly on the right and then very clearly on the left; in this regard it matches the slam sound in the first seconds of the Techno Slam Mix. • At 5:14, the trio of "tss" sounds is missing altogether. • At 5:28 there's no 2nd snare hit. It's not possible to construct the Primal Remix from the Techno Slam Mix, so it's not a case of this guy botching an edit (although I wouldn't put it past him). It just seems to me that there's more than one Primal Remix. Those differences at 0:34, 5:14, and 5:28 are just too major. Since I do not have any of the original releases with this mix on them, I'm wondering if someone out there can check their copies and report back on what they find? Thanks for your time. Mike