Okay then, I'll reply this time and then (as long as Im not provoked) leave it alone. 1. "I'm in the US military, so I guess to you I'm a baby killing product of the evil fascist police state society of brainwashing too, right?" Not really, its not your fault that your goverment is fucked, the US voters didnt even vote him in. By the way that isnt just some dumb ass conspiracy theory with no roots. Secondly, dont come out with the baby killing shit. I know its an old goverment "right wing fundamentalist christian" thing to use baby killing to make people angry. You know, "Saddams killing children so all of you pro life people need to go to war and die for the oil dollar". Love people of all ages or dont dont love anybody. 2. "Let me guess Martin, you're a lazy soap-dodging, work-dodging, slightly radical student who's biggest fear is that someone will realise your father's a judge, has a string of illegitimate children to his name and kicks the shit out of your mother whenever he's pissed up - oh, and that you come from a very wealthy family." Okay then dude, lets dissect your little essay about someone youve never met and know nothing about. My dads a factory worker, if he was an alchoholic we would be living in a box and not on a council estate. When you are near the bottom of the pile all of the shit drops on you from above. Im not fucking happy about it and its not a badge of honour and like any other working class person I want out. The world has made me the angry cunt that I am and anyway, dont personnel and family attacks count as a flame war. The list admin should throw you off the fucking list, so fuck you.