Xav,<div>Please tell me more about this device! What I like about the Wadia is that it extracts the digital data and sends it to the much better D/A convertors on my Pioneer Elite receiver. Apparently, newer Pioneer Elites do this natively, but I won&#39;t be able to afford a new one for some time LOL! The only thing I don&#39;t like about the Wadia is that it only has a digital coax and not a fiber-optic (the new model does). I used to own an early 90s Parasound D/A convertor and played around with it quite a bit. When sending digital via coax the sound was very analog (which many people like); when sending it via fiber-optic the sound was much more digital (more separation between the different parts of the music making every part sound more separate and distinct). In fact, when I play a CD through my Oppo DVD player which I have connected via fiber-optic I hear the same digital thing. Theoretically, there shouldn&#39;t be any difference between the sound of a digital coax and a digital fiber-optic, but truth be told there is and the difference is HUGE. Whilst I don&#39;t think one is better than the other, those who like a more analog sound should opt for a coax connection, those who are of the digital generation (such as myself) and prefer a more separated sound should opt for the fiber-optic.</div>
<div>Again, happy with my Wadia but if there&#39;s something better that will hand-off the pure digital signal via fiber-optic to my Pioneer D/A convertor I&#39;m all for it!</div><div>BTW I tried an A/B thing with my wife using digital coax and fiber-optic to determine the best sound. As many out there may know, women have far superior hearing to men (Not speculation, fact). The wife preferred the fiber-optic sound as she said she could &quot;hear more&quot; of the music. Just Emily&#39;s two cents.</div>
<div>Dan<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Xavier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alunare@gmail.com">alunare@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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                <div>Hey Dan,<div><br></div><div>used to own the Wadia (which i sold) and have a Pure music Dock now which does the exact same thing (extract pure digital out from a iOS machine).</div><div><br></div><div>
Limitation is software: iOS does NOT support anything higher than 16bit/48khz files at the moment. So in theory it could change in future updates (though no hope for iOS 5, still same limitations).</div></div>
                <div><br>Cheers,<div>Xav</div><br></div>
                 
                <p style="color:#A0A0A8">Le dimanche 4 septembre 2011 à 17:42, Dan Hutchins a écrit :</p>
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                    <span><div><div></div><div>Funny that you mention this, the interwebs state that a FLAC file usually compresses into a slightly smaller file than ALAC, but I&#39;m playing around this morning and am starting to discover that ALAC actually produces slightly (and I mean SLIGHTLY) smaller file size than FLAC. Not dissing FLAC as it&#39;s a great format, but audiophiles who know WAY more about this stuff than I have really examined this and and have found both formats are sonically equal and truly lossless. Both formats are also able to handle 24 bit files and beyond.<div>

Whilst iTunes is able to play 24 bit ALAC files, I own this cool piece of kit by a company called Wadia that is an iPod dock that extracts the true digital stream from an iPod and passes it off to a receiver/DA convertor via a digital connection. I own the first model that only utilizes a coax digital cable, would love the latest model that has a ton more features and utilizes fiber-optic as well, but once again I&#39;m broke LOL!</div>

<div>Anyway, I contacted Wadia to ask if it could handle 24 bit ALAC and they told me every time they tried the iPod crashed! Don&#39;t know if this is a shortcoming of the iPod OS or the Wadia, but Steve Jobs has stated that he wants iTunes to move toward selling 24 bit DRM free files so here&#39;s hoping!</div>

<div>Dan<br><br><div>On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Thomas Touzimsky <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tto@klf.de" target="_blank">tto@klf.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Unlike a converted mp3, a lossless file is only reduced in size but with all the audio information intact. A lossless FLAC/ALAC file can be reconverted to WAV without degrading sound quality.<br>
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Am 03.09.2011 um 22:13 schrieb Martijn van Rheenen:<br>
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&gt; I may be a bit naive here, but isn&#39;t the term &#39;lossless&#39; used to indicate that no bytes or bits are lost at all? Then no matter what lossless format you use, they should all be identical.<br>
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