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RE: [KLF] Last word on PT3, also my last words
by Don Gagen 24 Mar '02

24 Mar '02

I find this pretty confusing. Are you saying that your feel KLF related posts are somehow inappropriate for the KLF list? -----Original Message----- From: Wouter To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: 3/23/2002 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [KLF] Last word on PT3, also my last words > There's nearly everything said about the KLF as a project, why can't we just > talk about NOW because there's a lot going on most of us don't even dare to > think of. I heard lots of rumours in the last few months but didn't post > them directly because I knew that noone would be interested in the way I am. > That's life, eh? I think you should post these things, to keep on topic! I can remember that several years ago this list was really busy, about 40-80 postings a day! Nice things were the announcement of the gig in London. A big list meeting was setup etc... unfortunately I was not able to go to London just for that (live in the Netherlands). > I don't think so. There are quite a few things left to do for KLF fans. If > you want to work, just drop me a line personally and I'll tell you what we > (the KLF Online crew) are planning for the next months! Why not informing us all??? Cheers, Wouter _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf

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Last word on PT3, also my last words
by Maarten Bouwes 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

Edited version: (...) I must say that I am overwhelmed by all those reactions on the subject Love Trance and other subjects which I have posted the past 4 years. When I first joined this list, I had many questions and I saw many of them answered but in general this list was not more than a confirmation for the things I already knew and for the things of which I already had a faint suspicion. Nowadays, this list has become more and more a receptacle of subjects not even slightly related to KLF in any way and a place where one has to beg for an answer concerning KLF related things. I'll give you a little example: KLF004X white label subject; How many of you have got a w/l which is handwritten, stickered or contains just a plain white label? I got 3 different 004X' and I was just curious who else has got a different one. Reactions? Zero, nada, rien. Things like VCD's, hey dude, where can I buy a car, etc and all that run rampant. Maybe my questions weren't that smart afterall but I doubt that. This leaves me no choice but to go into an extreme lurk mode or maybe even beyond. Something of which a lot of you are already in. Maybe I just saw the light... Needles to say -I think- but despite the fact that I am not a native speaker and writer I hope I made myself clear enough... Feedback? That's upto you... Maarten (...) --- "Every seeker after truth must remember one thing: that the first step in the path of truth is to become true to oneself" Hazrat Inayat Khan _________________________________________________________________ MSN Foto's is de eenvoudigste manier om je foto's te delen en af te drukken: http://photos.msn.nl/Support/WorldWide.aspx

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RE: RE: RE: Becoming OT Re: [KLF] VCD
by Don Gagen 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

cool > -----Original Message----- > From: Martijn Melenhorst [mailto:rheenen@home.nl] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:42 PM > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: RE: RE: Becoming OT Re: [KLF] VCD > > > I was just commenting on the point that this technical > 'in-the-know' person was assuming that the person trying to > burn DVD's didn't know at all > what he was talking about. He could have taken into account > that this person did know a lot about burning DVD's. > > If I was to read someone a lesson about programming, I would > not give him a hard time, or try to read him the lesson > literally, until I knew what > this person was up to and what he was capable of. If I would > not be able to gather this information, I would at least keep > myself reserved towards > this person, respecting the possibility that he did know what > he was doing, but just missed a small point. > > The way this guy was reacting, it was more like "I know a > lot, nobody else does", while perhaps someone else could > have. And that just sucks, > and is typical for most people in the IT/AV/Music business. > So that aggregates me. So I react. And I think I am right too here. > > >you shouldn't have edited the content...censorship > >sucks..even if it is totally rotten garbage.. > >--- Don Gagen <DGagen(a)EnsembleStudios.com> wrote: > >> Wow! I can see why you would take offense to the > >> "tone" of his message. > >> However, there is some good information there too. > >> I should have edited the > >> content. > >> > >> You are right about that recorder. The information > >> that the Pioneer rep > >> provided to his office was totally wrong. It's nice > >> to know if you do > >> decide to use the A03 burner you can use the cheaper > >> media. The key is > >> making sure that they are recognized and play well > >> on the end users player. > >> Unfortunately most of the players fail to recognize > >> the general-purpose > >> DVD-R and DVD-RW at this point. > >> > >> The main point is that you're actually better off > >> leaving it as a VCD. More > >> players play VCD than the general purpose DVD-Rs. > >> Secondly, you won't get > >> better quality by converting it DVD unless you start > >> over with the original > >> videos. > >> > >> Don > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Chris Bennett > >> [mailto:christopher_m_bennett@yahoo.com] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:48 PM > >> > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > Subject: RE: RE: Becoming OT Re: [KLF] VCD > >> > > >> > > >> > Attacked? no..but he should be..I am a certified > >> > Novell guy..and full time computer tech... > >> > I can come up with 10 million reasons why someone > >> is > >> > completely stupid for wanting to install their own > >> > video card..but I can also say "It's not that > >> @#$@# > >> > hard, and yes..it IS possible for other people > >> besides > >> > your amazing self that are capable of > >> understanding > >> > these not really complex things.. > >> > > >> > (there are more than just this guy who knows how > >> to > >> > author DVD's..) > >> > > >> > > > I would almost say your professional DVD > >> authoring > >> > > friend > >> > > > feels attacked by the fact that an amateur is > >> > > trying to do > >> > > > what he is doing for a living? > >> > > >> > > > > 4. If he doesn't realize this stuff, there > >> are > >> > > about 100 > >> > > > other things he > >> > > > > does not know, so I bet he can't encode > >> very > >> > > well either. > >> > > >> > 2. If he is on a Pioneer burner (which is > >> probable) he > >> > is using A03 burner (those are the ones that do > >> the > >> > DVD-R and DVD-RW). A03 won't work with the sucky > >> $5 > >> > general purpose DVD-Rs (as opposed to authoring > >> > DVD-Rs). A03 burned discs also have more > >> compatibility > >> > issues than A02 discs (the burner I have). > >> > > >> > Uh..check the stats bucko..the A03's can't do the > >> > DVD-R's for authoring..just the general purpose.. > >> > > >> > >http://www.shop4tech.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?html_requested =dvdrchart >> >> Boy..it really makes me mad to see someone preaching >> and forgetting to read the book first.. >> A word to the "friend" ..Shut your yap..you are NOT >> the brightest bulb in the lamp.. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage >> http://sports.yahoo.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> KLF mailing list >> KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Born Free
by Torsten Pattberg 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Hi, I always thought that "Born Free" was written by Bill Drummond, but now I just have seen a Simpsons episode with this song. Anybody who knows who wrote that song? -- Torsten Pattberg www.biglouis.com

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RE: [KLF] Born Free
by Don Gagen 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Wasn't it written specifically for the movie "Born Free" with the lion cubs? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Quartley [mailto:jrq@interport.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:56 PM > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [KLF] Born Free > > > John Barry, of James Bond fame > > Torsten Pattberg wrote: > > > Hi, I always thought that "Born Free" was written by Bill > Drummond, but now > > I just have seen a Simpsons episode with this song. Anybody > who knows who > > wrote that song? > > > > -- > > Torsten Pattberg > > www.biglouis.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KLF mailing list > > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf >

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Re: [KLF] That never ending story of... Love Trance...
by Maarten Bouwes 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

I know I know I know... Well, since I study law, I must be able to strain the truth, not? ;) I was refering to all those PT3 issues, not this one in particulair. At least it's a start... > > c-Row is convinced it's real; > >1. ThatÂ´s not what I pointed out at the Mancentral board. I just said that >the newest Love Trance looks like all the others that appeared in the last >time. > >Right ? > >2. You said I should write down why I think it is real. ThatÂ´s what I did. >I >never said that IÂ´m convinced it is... there are enough points that speak >against that, but thatÂ´s not what you asked me about. > >Right ? > > >Shame on you ! ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Meld je aan bij de grootste e-mailservice wereldwijd met MSN Hotmail: http://www.hotmail.com/nl

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That never ending story of... Love Trance....
by Maarten Bouwes 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Active list and Lurkers, A few days ago, there was this guy named Alec Brown who was planning to sell his copy of Love Trance @Ebay. Unfortunately, his item was refused because it appears to offer material that violates someone's copyright, trademark, or other rights. His listing could violate state or federal law, and leaving it up could expose him and his bidders to legal liability. He is appealing against their decision now and hopes to have it back on soon. Anyways, this should be the 4th or 5th copy of Love Trance. Alec made his decision public on the Mancentral Files and this lead to another discussion wether PT3 is a genuine copy, a boot or a counterfeit.... c-Row is convinced it's real; 1. All known KLF bootlegs are pressed on thin vinyl. 006T isnÂ´t. 2. Whatever track it plays, it is not an mp3 (apply CoolEditÂ´s vocal cut to it and youÂ´ll see why) 3. Some of the instruments are the same as used in other KLF songs. 4. The vinyl came from Adrenalin who pressed all other PT issues (except LTTT) 5. At least test pressings HAVE BEEN confirmed by a former Adrenalin employee. 6. "The KLF have now left the building" is a reference to Elvis Presley and has nothing to do with their retirement at the BRIT awards - 3 a.m. demos already existed in 1990, and I donÂ´t think that the KLF already planned their retirement at this point... His guess is that these are test pressings with labels put on them that are still in circulation. I am convinced it's not; 1) I don't think this is a bootleg but a counterfeit (discog) since I have got labels of PT3. That's strange enough because I have never encoutered any other labels (except PT4) of other regular KLF releases. Furthermore, Love Trance is in no way KLF-ish since the keyboard rifle sounds weird. (Don't even know if the other side (Monstermix) has been confirmed to be real). Other piont on this one is that you state "all known bootlegs". Graham asked himself "Could it be real?" He bought it early '92, so no big deal to investigate this. If you are certain that it's real, don't ask yourself -could it be real?- Than you shouldn't have bought it in the first place IMHO. 2)Can't refute that since I am no expert. 3)No big deal for a plugger and other associates to make a song. Check your own CD release :) More or less based on existing KLF songs. 4)Don't know who came up with thais argument in the past but with a little help from the inside you could press some 12" after hours. 5) The present guy. (at adrenalin) 6) O.k. but what about Kylie said to Jason "I'm gonna leave this party now" Wasn't that a reference to "a" retirement? And maybe the most valuable proof: 7) In the Pure Trance Intervieuw @Brandnew, Jimmy confirmed the fact that PT3 and PT4 never saw the day of light since they were awfully busy with their movie and the Ambient thing. There are definately conterfeits in circulation based on the already in advance pressed sleeves and labels. I can hear you all thinking right now; "ok, what's your point?". My point is that I am getting sick 'n tired of this record ;)) and I hope that somebody stands up having more details on the bloke who made it or some other plausible explinations why I am wrong... Sorry for this awfull long story but someone's got to do it... Regards, Maarten _________________________________________________________________ Chat on line met vrienden en probeer MSN Messenger uit: http://messenger.msn.nl

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Fw: fact of fiction? k foundation rumours sounds like Popbitch
by Mark Reed 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Subject: fact of fiction? k foundation rumours sounds like Popbitch Justified Anarchy of Mu Mu I've just had a call from a good sauce telling me that The KLF are putting out a version of God Save The Queen on the same day as the Pistols and that they plan to blitz the capital with God Save Will Young posters during Jubilee week. Thought I'd spoil it by posting it here - could be bollocks but never mind. More on that K- God Save the Queen thingy it's funny if nothing else, you have to take your hat off. Apparentely, they are calling themselves 'The Posh n Becks Pistols' for this one off resurrection and are making a video in a flight simulator with themselves dressed as Al-Qaida fighters crashing into Buck Palace. Me roadie mate is on the shoot today. Classic - could all be bollocks, but never mind eh?

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Sv: [KLF] Fw: fact of fiction? k foundation rumours sounds like Popbitch
by Ulrik Brandt 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Bill wrote about a version og God save the Queen in his book 45 (cant remember the details, but they never did record it) > The KLF are putting out a version of God Save The > Queen Ulrik ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu climbs into the back of their ice-cream van and work ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [KLF] LOL!
by asbjorn＠nameplanet.com 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

?50 for KCC? That's ***king expensive (already). I would like to thank Mr Poraz in Israel for the KCC for a EurovisionSongContest2CD deal... Asbjorn On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:39:26 -0000 "Rikki Price" wrote: >And now there's another K Cera Cera CD on eBay, currently at, ooh, a seventh >of the price of the other one ;) > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852670438 -- Get your firstname@lastname email at http://Nameplanet.com/?su

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