November 2002 - KLF - mailman.xmission.com

RE: KLF Live On Stage
by Mu Mu Land 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

> On Rob Stringers Server is a copy of the Live on stage CD. > Its been through Soundforge and all the gaps taken away.There are a few > noticable pitch changes in crowd noise otherwise its perfect. > I put it there so im sure if you ask Rob he will let you download it. > Regards Mark W. And what is the new login/pass on RMS FTP ?, it keeps on changing all the time ! ;-) Thomas

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RE: [KLF] Bootleg Videos & Making a DVD
by Stuart Bruce 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

Funnily enough, just this afternoon I placed an order for my long-awaited NLE Mac system, complete with DVD Studio Pro authoring software, which I should have by Christmas. So early next year it might be an interesting project to put together a KLF DVD, as practice. That is, if I could get some KLF videos in good quality format from somebody (good-quality QuickTime, VHS, miniDV, Beta, other DVDs...) as the versions I have are fairly poor and I'm sure there must be better copies out there. However given the track record of previous people taking on this project and not returning the source material, I guess people might not want to share proper copies of this stuff, which is fair enough. Stuart. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thug [mailto:thug5@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: 21 November 2002 19:02 > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: [KLF] Bootleg Videos & Making a DVD > If somebody out there (with more free time than me) got together some > decent quality masters and did even a rough DVD encoding of > the lot, can > you imagine what sort of prices they would be fetching? Isn't there > anyone out there motivated enough by this "make money fast" > scheme to go > and do it? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 ______________________________________________________________________ Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ENDEMOL UK plc unless specifically stated. This email and the information it contains are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately and delete the copy you have received from your system. You should not copy it for any purpose, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents to any other person. If you suspect the message may have been intercepted or amended please call the sender.

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Bootleg Videos & Making a DVD
by Thug 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

Hi all, Just been browsing eBay (as you do) and I am shocked to see that people are still bidding over 50 quid for bootleg compilation videos. Do these people know what they are getting? Now don't get me wrong... I own one of these too. I bought mine for around 15 quid, which I still thought was overpriced, but what the hell... there were interviews and stuff on there that I had never seen. If somebody out there (with more free time than me) got together some decent quality masters and did even a rough DVD encoding of the lot, can you imagine what sort of prices they would be fetching? Isn't there anyone out there motivated enough by this "make money fast" scheme to go and do it? You could probably sell a number of copies at over 50 quid each before the prices would have to drop more reasonable in order to maintain sales. (20 quid would be my maximum price for a bootleg DVD.) But given the actual raw material costs are far less than that, it would still be a good business. So how about it somebody? Somebody? Bueller? Michael

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RE: [KLF] Shag Times
by Don Gagen 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

They released it on CD. On another note, one of my copies was stolen. It's really upsetting since I know so few were pressed. I guarantee the person who stole it had no idea of its value. Anyway, I have an empty case if anyone wants to make me an offer. Don -----Original Message----- From: Hawx [mailto:hawx@slinkyskunk.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:13 AM To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [KLF] Shag Times I forget; did they actually release Shag Times on CD or is this just a bootleg jobbie? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922505308 Cheers, Chris _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf

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Re Shag Times
by mark weston 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

The CD JAMS CD 3 Shag Times was definiatly released and sold in the shops.Regards Mark W.

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Copy protection makes me want to steal music
by Don Gagen 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

I really think this one is going to backfire on them. With the exception of live recordings and a few SUPER-RARE tracks I purchased the original CD or vinyl of every MP3 in my collection. I've always been a strong advocate of supporting the artist through purchasing the music. But, I don't have the time or patience to deal with this kind of BS. If I have to worry about whether or not a $18.99 CD is compatible with all my players, I'll simply stop buying them. I'd rather download it, and let someone else do the work of breaking the copy protection. Phillips should really force these rogue companies who choose to use non-standard formats to stop using the Compact Disc logo. That way I will at least know which ones to buy.

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RE: [KLF] [ot] Kopy protection
by Stuart Bruce 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Well I told myself I wouldn't get involved, and I was doing better than Jonathan in that regard. But I've cracked... > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick King [mailto:nickwking@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 20 November 2002 01:13 > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [KLF] [ot] Kopy protection > Surely, the reason for the fall in CD sales is that there > isn't that many > new artists around nowadays, the charts are full of manufactured Pop > Idol/Star/Rivals/etc, independent labels have been bought up > by majors, etc? CD sales across the board are dropping. This creates a vicious cycle of competition that means that major record labels are leapfrogging each other, always trying to push 'the next big thing' (because first albums tend to sell more than second and third albums). This breeds apathy in the buying public above 18 years old. However the 8- to 12-year-old buying public still lap it up. > I know that there are people out there who don't buy > vinyl/CD's and *DO* > just download MP3's, but don't go and blame a fairly large > percentage fall > in record sales on people with PC's downloading MP3's! I mean > there's a > whole load of people out there who still don't have the > bandwidth/time/knowledge to download MP3's, so surely the > whole percentage > fall can't be attributed to people who download this stuff! Not the whole percentage fall. But a significant portion of it is caused by the availability of bootlegs. > Ah well, we won't be able to dissuade these useless wankers > that the reason > the sales are going down is simply that there isn't that much > good stuff > being released nowadays (apart from, say, Royksopp, Bent, > Orbital, Orb - > latter two recently dropped by their record label, and the like)... This is an opinion held by a lot of people who're into alternative music, and while it's an ideal way of looking at things, sadly it's just not backed up by facts. Ultimately the reason that bands like the Orb get dropped are because they aren't selling as many records as the record company need them to, and while there are various factors to that (publicity etc.) that comes down to the fact that they just aren't mainstream and popular enough. There doesn't have to be any correlation at all between music you or I find good and music that sells well to the general public. I should know, I've been working on Fame Academy... > ...Or maybe I'm just getting too old! Sadly, I've already had to come to terms with the fact that I'm now twice as old as a lot of the people who buy things in the UK singles chart. And (dare I say it?) I'm probably among the youngest people on this list- sorry! Stuart. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 ______________________________________________________________________ Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ENDEMOL UK plc unless specifically stated. This email and the information it contains are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately and delete the copy you have received from your system. You should not copy it for any purpose, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents to any other person. If you suspect the message may have been intercepted or amended please call the sender.

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KLF Live On Stage
by mark weston 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Hi, On Rob Stringers Server is a copy of the Live on stage CD. Its been through Soundforge and all the gaps taken away.There are a few noticable pitch changes in crowd noise otherwise its perfect. I put it there so im sure if you ask Rob he will let you download it. Regards Mark W.

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Live On Stage for 10 days now
by Thomas Touzimsky 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Due to limited web space, the Live On Stage mp3s will be available for another ten days before they will get deleted. Maybe RMStringer could host them on his server ? --- Thomas Touzimsky same shit // different day

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RE: [KLF] [ot] Kopy protection
by Stuart Bruce 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Touzimsky [mailto:thomas@klf.de] > Sent: 20 November 2002 14:37 > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [KLF] [ot] Kopy protection > > <conspiracy mode on> > > I am not sure if this was the original reason, but could it > be that this > "rule" was introduced to "force" (read "allow") record > companies to share > all the mixes over two CDs instead of one, so the willing > customer has to > buy both of them ? > > <conspiracy mode off> Not really, because the idea of 2CD sets was in existence for years before their length was shifted from 40 minutes to 20. If anything it was a conspiracy by the larger record labels whose pop and indie acts would release singles with B-sides on, against the smaller dance labels whose releases looked more appealing because having 7 remixes was proving preferable to having 3 half-baked B-sides. At the time it was claimed that the chart rules were biased towards dance acts, whereas the new rules are quite obviously biased against them. Stuart. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 ______________________________________________________________________ Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ENDEMOL UK plc unless specifically stated. This email and the information it contains are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately and delete the copy you have received from your system. You should not copy it for any purpose, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents to any other person. If you suspect the message may have been intercepted or amended please call the sender.

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