I just wanted to add my two cents to the debate of wether or not the Marina staff was actively working to come up with a solution to the marina dredging question. The answer is yes!! Since I have done work in the marina for the past three years, and Dave and I spend a good part of every spring on the phone trying to come up with a workable, cost effective solution to the water level question, I can attest to Bob and his concern. The work we have done through dredging or bringing the 'Lucin' down is simply a temporary measure. It is not cheap to do what we have done so far, but it has been the best we were able to do with the time and funds allowed. I wish we could do more, but it hasn't been possible so far. As to the question of cost to dredge the entire marina to an acceptable depth, 5 mill is not that far off. See, the digging is easy. Getting rid of what you dig is horribly expensive. The sheer volume of material you would need to remove from the marina is staggering. You would either need to haul it away by truck which is an environmental problem with transportation, or take it far enough out into the lake it can't come back. To accomplish this, you would need to go at least as far north as Eardly spit runs, at the minimum. Most likely, a couple miles farther. That will cast a LOT of money to get it that far. If you don't take it that far out, it will be back in a year or so. I am not saying all of this to drum up work for our company either. The type of work we are talking about would need to be done by totally different types of equipment than what we posses or would desire to have. Yes, we could support an operation like that, but not do it ourselves. The statement that the mineral companies should bear some of the cost, I think, is a good one. I believe that a well thought out, workable proposal, directed to these companies, could bear fruit. If it was proposed as a 'public service', to the Lake community of users, with just the right touch of publicity added, it could work. Although most people in the marina community do not know me, I still feel part of your group. I watch you from afar and love this lake as you do. I have lived on it's shore for 20 years now, and it is a part of me. When you look out on the lake, I see it in your mirror image. I firmly believe we are stewards of the world we live in. It is there to be used, but enjoyed and cared for. If we care enough and work together without pointing a finger, it can work, but we must all work together. David Phillips Trestlewood On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dale Clark <sportscar59@msn.com> wrote:

I also agree with the comments made about Dave and the other marina staff.

Comments:

What about the fact that the state keeps giving out more rights to companies to mine minerals from the lake. These companies yield a lot more power with the state congress than us that enjoy the lake for its beauty and sailing. There is a good chance that the rumor that these companies control, to the best of their ability, the amount of water that is allowed to enter the lake or the level of the lake. We may need the lake to rise like back in the 80’s before we can see the level rise very much. This just may never happen again.

A couple of ideas:

I’m sure others have thought of this, but instead of dredging the marina, what about moving at least part of it, to deeper water; even if we need to fairy back and forth.

Maybe we should ask the mineral companies to help dredge or move some of the slips. They have the equipment and want to keep the lake at lower levels.

I believe we can solve this problem for a lot less than $5 mil or maybe I’m all wet or salty.

Dale

*From:* gsl-marina-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: gsl-marina-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] *On Behalf Of * iskander@comcast.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:58 AM *To:* Harbormaster *Subject:* [GSL-Marina] marina issues

Ditto to the two comments already made. Things have improved imeasurably with the marina team we have now. I also question - $5mil to dredge?

Errol

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Sounds like this group ought to be allied-with and mutually-supporting http://www.fogsl.org/ From: gsl-marina-bounces+thomas.conroy=usa.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:gsl-marina-bounces+thomas.conroy=usa.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Michael Downie Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:26 PM To: David Phillips Cc: Harbormaster Subject: Re: [GSL-Marina] marina issues Could the material removed be placed next to the existing Marina, perhaps extending the parking lot or creating picnic areas on the northeastern side, behind the wash station? As too mooring out deeper, aren't those mooring anchors stacked up next to Saltair? Mike Downie On SunSep 12, 2010, at 5:51 PM, David Phillips wrote: I just wanted to add my two cents to the debate of wether or not the Marina staff was actively working to come up with a solution to the marina dredging question. The answer is yes!! Since I have done work in the marina for the past three years, and Dave and I spend a good part of every spring on the phone trying to come up with a workable, cost effective solution to the water level question, I can attest to Bob and his concern. The work we have done through dredging or bringing the 'Lucin' down is simply a temporary measure. It is not cheap to do what we have done so far, but it has been the best we were able to do with the time and funds allowed. I wish we could do more, but it hasn't been possible so far. As to the question of cost to dredge the entire marina to an acceptable depth, 5 mill is not that far off. See, the digging is easy. Getting rid of what you dig is horribly expensive. The sheer volume of material you would need to remove from the marina is staggering. You would either need to haul it away by truck which is an environmental problem with transportation, or take it far enough out into the lake it can't come back. To accomplish this, you would need to go at least as far north as Eardly spit runs, at the minimum. Most likely, a couple miles farther. That will cast a LOT of money to get it that far. If you don't take it that far out, it will be back in a year or so. I am not saying all of this to drum up work for our company either. The type of work we are talking about would need to be done by totally different types of equipment than what we posses or would desire to have. Yes, we could support an operation like that, but not do it ourselves. The statement that the mineral companies should bear some of the cost, I think, is a good one. I believe that a well thought out, workable proposal, directed to these companies, could bear fruit. If it was proposed as a 'public service', to the Lake community of users, with just the right touch of publicity added, it could work. Although most people in the marina community do not know me, I still feel part of your group. I watch you from afar and love this lake as you do. I have lived on it's shore for 20 years now, and it is a part of me. When you look out on the lake, I see it in your mirror image. I firmly believe we are stewards of the world we live in. It is there to be used, but enjoyed and cared for. If we care enough and work together without pointing a finger, it can work, but we must all work together. David Phillips Trestlewood On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dale Clark <sportscar59@msn.com> wrote: I also agree with the comments made about Dave and the other marina staff. Comments: What about the fact that the state keeps giving out more rights to companies to mine minerals from the lake. These companies yield a lot more power with the state congress than us that enjoy the lake for its beauty and sailing. There is a good chance that the rumor that these companies control, to the best of their ability, the amount of water that is allowed to enter the lake or the level of the lake. We may need the lake to rise like back in the 80's before we can see the level rise very much. This just may never happen again. A couple of ideas: I'm sure others have thought of this, but instead of dredging the marina, what about moving at least part of it, to deeper water; even if we need to fairy back and forth. Maybe we should ask the mineral companies to help dredge or move some of the slips. They have the equipment and want to keep the lake at lower levels. I believe we can solve this problem for a lot less than $5 mil or maybe I'm all wet or salty. Dale From: gsl-marina-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:gsl-marina-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of iskander@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:58 AM To: Harbormaster Subject: [GSL-Marina] marina issues Ditto to the two comments already made. Things have improved imeasurably with the marina team we have now. I also question - $5mil to dredge? Errol _______________________________________________ GSL-Marina mailing list GSL-Marina@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gsl-marina -- David Phillips 801-362-8112 _______________________________________________ GSL-Marina mailing list GSL-Marina@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gsl-marina