Re: [Glencook-fans] Has enough time passed to have a spoiler discussion on Port of Shadows?
*I* believe enough time has passed. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/21/19, John Dallman <jgd@cix.co.uk> wrote: Subject: [Glencook-fans] Has enough time passed to have a spoiler discussion on Port of Shadows? To: glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com Date: Monday, January 21, 2019, 12:46 PM I think I have most of the mysteries of the book figured out, but I'd like more opinions on my ideas. -- John Dallman, jgd@cix.co.uk _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/glencook-fans
Enlighten us.
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*I* believe enough time has passed.
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Subject: [Glencook-fans] Has enough time passed to have a spoiler discussion on Port of Shadows? To: glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com Date: Monday, January 21, 2019, 12:46 PM
I think I have most of the mysteries of the book figured out, but I'd like more opinions on my ideas.
-- John Dallman, jgd@cix.co.uk
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I agree. Spoil away. Actually, I think our recent round of discussion of POS (unfortunate acronym) already contained spoilers, albeit with a designated spoiler buffer at the head of each message. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 2:06 PM Katherine Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com wrote:
Enlighten us.
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*I* believe enough time has passed.
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Subject: [Glencook-fans] Has enough time passed to have a spoiler discussion on Port of Shadows? To: glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com Date: Monday, January 21, 2019, 12:46 PM
I think I have most of the mysteries of the book figured out, but I'd like more opinions on my ideas.
-- John Dallman, jgd@cix.co.uk
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I'm not the original poster, but here's my spoiler filled bit. 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 9 9 0 0 20 lines should be enough. Okay, this book had vulgar language and a lot rape talk. I have a theory for each of those changes. 1) the vulgar language - this was a first draft. Raven criticised Croaker for whitewashing the company, for not depicting them as they were. Croacker's response was that he had been raised not to speak ill of his family, the company was now his family, and those early lessons last the longest. If Croaker had time to do a second draft (without all the forgetting) he would have cleaned things up, removing and replacing the vulgar language. 2) The rape talk: Yes, the company is full of hard men who do awful things, but the leadership (including the Romantics) sitting around debating raping a bunch of girls barely into their teens? My theory on this is that the girls were worried about being raped, and with all those powerful girls together they were influencing the men. Backing this up is the rape attempt by... darn, forgot his name - the wizard who left, was hit full force with the mental field on his return, and charged in to rape the girls. Those girls had understandable fears that they would be rape, that got into the combined power field, and that's why the company leadership debates raping them all. It also ties in with me "this is a first draft" theory. Looking back to the capture of Whisper's Camp, with all those Amazons being raped and murdered, there were very little details given. If I recall the most detailed description was that one girl would have looked pretty without all of those bruises, but everything else was cleaned up. And those are my theories, take them as you will. Richard From: "Lawrence Jenab" <larryjenab@gmail.com> To: "Science Glen Cook: Author, Fiction/Fantasy" <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 4:10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Glencook-fans] Has enough time passed to have a spoiler discussion on Port of Shadows? I agree. Spoil away. Actually, I think our recent round of discussion of POS (unfortunate acronym) already contained spoilers, albeit with a designated spoiler buffer at the head of each message. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 2:06 PM Katherine Herrmann < [ mailto:shpshftr@xmission.com | shpshftr@xmission.com ] wrote: Enlighten us.
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*I* believe enough time has passed.
-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/21/19, John Dallman < [ mailto:jgd@cix.co.uk | jgd@cix.co.uk ] > wrote:
Subject: [Glencook-fans] Has enough time passed to have a spoiler discussion on Port of Shadows? To: [ mailto:glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com | glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com ] Date: Monday, January 21, 2019, 12:46 PM
I think I have most of the mysteries of the book figured out, but I'd like more opinions on my ideas.
-- John Dallman, [ mailto:jgd@cix.co.uk | jgd@cix.co.uk ]
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Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> wrote:
1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 9 9 0 0 20 lines should be enough.
1) the vulgar language - this was a first draft. ...
Makes sense. Cook may also feel he can be a little more realistic with language in today's publishing world.
2) The rape talk: Yes, the company is full of hard men who do awful things, but the leadership (including the Romantics) sitting around debating raping a bunch of girls barely into their teens? My theory on this is that the girls were worried about being raped, and with all those powerful girls together they were influencing the men. ... It also ties in with me "this is a first draft" theory.
I think you're right. This is certainly the impression I got on first reading. -- John Dallman, jgd@cix.co.uk
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