On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:08 PM, David Ainsworth <Narsham@charter.net> wrote:
> On 11/23/2010 3:02 PM, Steven Harris wrote:
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>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Michele Riccio<mishka_30@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
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>>>> From: Steven Harris<harrissg@slu.edu>
>>>> To: Glen Cook: Science Fiction/Fantasy Author
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>>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Morley Dotes<morleydotes@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve/Stacey said: "I was very surprised Tinnie was so unceremoniously
>>>>> dumped. Worse, she
>>>>> was dumped after she made a valiant effort at redefining herself to be
>>>>> a better person and a better girlfriend. I found Garrett's defection
>>>>> from her despicable--for reasons of sex, it would seem. He's never
>>>>> been quite that shallow before: Yes, he'll go with a girl for reasons
>>>>> of sex, but he's never before hurt anyone so callously for that
>>>>> reason."
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, Steve/Stacey, don't see it that way at all. She wanted to
>>>>> rebuild
>>>
>>> him
>>>>>
>>>>> from the ground up.
>>>>
>>>> No, Pat, I can't agree with that at all. There's no evidence of that
>>>> in this book. She wanted to be with him. Period.
>>>>
>>>>> I've know folks like that and you run screaming into the night. She
>>>>> made
>>>>
>>>> him
>>>>>
>>>>> give up almost
>>>>> everything that made him Garrett. His friends, his house, his work.
>>>>
>>>> No evidence of that, either. He decided to live with Tinnie, apart
>>>> from the Dead Man. it wasn't her doing. He decided it was easier to
>>>> be a security officer for the Tates than a private dick.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Away from the book...but I seem to recall Garrett mentioning a couple of
>>> times
>>> that he had not seen his friends because Tinnie didn't want him to. That
>>> isn't
>>> a good sign. I could see her not wanting him to hang around with past
>>> flings
>>> (Belinda and possibly Winger) but why would she not want him to see
>>> Playmate?
>>
>> Possibly, though I don't recall that from the previous book.
>>
>> But if so, then it ought to have been mentioned in this book, as
>> giving reason for what's going on. Leaving it out is definite flaw,
>> in my opinion.
>>
>> Steve/Stacey
>
> I feel like I read a different book. It's very clear (though not directly
> stated) in the beginning that Tinnie made Garrett give up EVERYTHING except
> his brewery and Combine duties. Ch 1 indicates he's not even been out of
> the complex "in a rat's age," and the unstated "promise" Tinnie mentions in
> Ch 2 means he can't do his regular work, go home, see his friends, visit the
> Dead Man, or anything else.

> He doesn't know Playmate
> is ill (and has been for a long time--his comment in Ch 72 suggests 1.5
> years since the previous book, so over a year), has no idea what's up with
> Morley, doesn't know Melondie Kadare died, and has been gone from home long
> enough that Singe is running things.

That's all on Garrett, not Tinnie. He decided he liked being the
brewery in-house dick better than being a private-eye. That's his
choice (and for what it's worth, I quite liked the novel that had him
doing investigations there--he was active). Didn't mean he had to
give up his friends; again, that was his doing, not hers. I find him
a singularly unsympathetic character in this book, as well as almost
wholly passive, and that makes me unhappy with it. One of the worst
of the series.

> Note also that Tinnie recognizes the relationship isn't healthy for her,
> either, but the Dead Man diagnoses that it would take some major mental
> rearranging to straighten out the problem.

That would've been worth exploring; I was disappointed nothing
happened on stage with it.

> I'll note in passing that they aren't married and Garrett has always had sex
> with other women. Is the problem that this isn't idle sex but a real
> relationship? Why precisely do we believe Garrett owes Tinnie anything?

Simple decency says he owes her face-time if he decides to opt out of
the arrangement. I don't mean go wandering--he does that lots of
times. I mean putting "finis" to it.

Steve/Stacey

>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He may have gone along with her edicts, which makes him as much to blame
>>> for the
>>> deterioration of the relationship, but I'm pretty sure it was her idea to
>>> separate him from his friends, and his career. At least, that is how I
>>> read it.
>>>
>>> Michele
>
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