Believe it or not these books are written on real life experiences. As much as I would like to credit Mr. Cook with being original he is not. I have been through something very similar to what happened with Tinnie and Garrett. I can say that hes owes her nothing. She tried to create the perfect Garrett and expected him to change for her...... Guess what. Not gonna happen. People don't change for people. You have to want to change. Garrett didn't want to change but he gave it a shot because he thought that he loved Tinnie enough to do it. Once he got back into the P.I. role of Garrett he realized how much he gave up for one person and understood that for the way she treated him she wasnt worth it. Again Hats off to Mr. Cook for capturing the real struggles of modern day relationships. Salute On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 2:50 PM, jimi bowman <psychward58@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is killing me!! I haven't read any of these "SPOILER" alert e-mails because I HAVEN'T FINISHED GILDED YET!! 3/4 of the way thru. Damn kids wont leave me alone long enough!!! So far I like it alot. The only thing that bums me out is that Glen is clearly putting in the 'aging' of our beloved characters. Saucerhead with paunch; Playmate with cancer; that whole "We ain't as good as we once was" stuff. (No Im NOT a Toby Keith fan!) Mostly because I've been a Cook reader since 1984, when I was a teenager and Im 'aging' too, right along with them! And, of course, our pal Glen is right along with us! At any rate, I cant wait to read what you all have written about GILDED as soon as Im done; Im saving your e-mails! Id be finishing it right now if I wasnt in the wilderness in Northern Michigan looking for Bambi's Daddy! Thanks for including me in these e-mails!
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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:08 PM, David Ainsworth <Narsham@charter.net<http://mc/compose?to=Narsham@charter.net>> wrote:
On 11/23/2010 3:02 PM, Steven Harris wrote:
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Michele Riccio<mishka_30@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=mishka_30@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Morley Dotes<morleydotes@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=morleydotes@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Steve/Stacey said: "I was very surprised Tinnie was so
unceremoniously
dumped. Worse, she was dumped after she made a valiant effort at redefining herself to be a better person and a better girlfriend. I found Garrett's defection from her despicable--for reasons of sex, it would seem. He's never been quite that shallow before: Yes, he'll go with a girl for reasons of sex, but he's never before hurt anyone so callously for that reason."
Sorry, Steve/Stacey, don't see it that way at all. She wanted to rebuild
him
from the ground up.
No, Pat, I can't agree with that at all. There's no evidence of that in this book. She wanted to be with him. Period.
I've know folks like that and you run screaming into the night. She made
him
give up almost everything that made him Garrett. His friends, his house, his work.
No evidence of that, either. He decided to live with Tinnie, apart from the Dead Man. it wasn't her doing. He decided it was easier to be a security officer for the Tates than a private dick.
Away from the book...but I seem to recall Garrett mentioning a couple of times that he had not seen his friends because Tinnie didn't want him to. That isn't a good sign. I could see her not wanting him to hang around with past flings (Belinda and possibly Winger) but why would she not want him to see Playmate?
Possibly, though I don't recall that from the previous book.
But if so, then it ought to have been mentioned in this book, as giving reason for what's going on. Leaving it out is definite flaw, in my opinion.
Steve/Stacey
I feel like I read a different book. It's very clear (though not directly stated) in the beginning that Tinnie made Garrett give up EVERYTHING except his brewery and Combine duties. Ch 1 indicates he's not even been out of the complex "in a rat's age," and the unstated "promise" Tinnie mentions in Ch 2 means he can't do his regular work, go home, see his friends, visit the Dead Man, or anything else.
He doesn't know Playmate is ill (and has been for a long time--his comment in Ch 72 suggests 1.5 years since the previous book, so over a year), has no idea what's up with Morley, doesn't know Melondie Kadare died, and has been gone from home long enough that Singe is running things.
That's all on Garrett, not Tinnie. He decided he liked being the brewery in-house dick better than being a private-eye. That's his choice (and for what it's worth, I quite liked the novel that had him doing investigations there--he was active). Didn't mean he had to give up his friends; again, that was his doing, not hers. I find him a singularly unsympathetic character in this book, as well as almost wholly passive, and that makes me unhappy with it. One of the worst of the series.
Note also that Tinnie recognizes the relationship isn't healthy for her, either, but the Dead Man diagnoses that it would take some major mental rearranging to straighten out the problem.
That would've been worth exploring; I was disappointed nothing happened on stage with it.
I'll note in passing that they aren't married and Garrett has always had sex with other women. Is the problem that this isn't idle sex but a real relationship? Why precisely do we believe Garrett owes Tinnie anything?
Simple decency says he owes her face-time if he decides to opt out of the arrangement. I don't mean go wandering--he does that lots of times. I mean putting "finis" to it.
Steve/Stacey
He may have gone along with her edicts, which makes him as much to
blame
for the deterioration of the relationship, but I'm pretty sure it was her idea to separate him from his friends, and his career. At least, that is how I read it.
Michele
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