It worx! Yeah-Right! I have figured how to animate the TMan1 Rising 3D Mandelbrot. The program is writ and the images are rendering as I write this. They are slow. It will take a few days at this rate; possibly due to all that extra complex math my poor little CPU has to deal with. I also changed the color palette. It will look like a flaming 3D Mandelbrot arising and forming out of a lake of frothing lava - way cool! Soon as it's done I will post on my web site for download. Mean time, let me check out those Lee Skinner / Guy Marson formulas ... ... ... (one of the nice things about being unemployed is you have lotsa time for these things <g> )