A request to ATI Radeon VE display adapter users re Fractint.
I left the Fractint list back in 2004... couldn't run the software under XP. I wasn't about to mess with dual-booting or other work-arounds, and I didn't have space for a dedicated DOS computer. So I quit. Recently I came across a message from Jim Muth, in which he remarked that he had absolutely no problem running Fractint in his XP Pro machine. Aha, I said to myself, I wonder if I can run Fractint in my new computer? I can, SF1 (1280 x 1024) is usable, so I am re-joining the list Now I do not have XP Pro... I have XP Media Center Edition installed. This is apparently a subset of XP Pro, not the Home edition. So, I am wondering if your problem resides not in your graphics adapter, but in your XP version? I can't be sure, as *my* adapter is a RADEON X300 SE (0x5B60), ATI Technologies Inc. I must say that it's fun to be back, and playing with sstools again! John W. Author: Hal Lane Date: 2006-07-06 07:162006-07-06 14:16 -700UTC To: Philofractal, Fractint_msg, Lee, Paul N. Subject: [Fractint] A request to ATI Radeon VE display adapter users re Fractint. Kim Hagar says:
I'm still puzzled [by not being able to display higher DOS resolutions even after running makefcfg.exe] and not sure what else to try. I'm running WinXP with SP2- patched to the hilt, and running McAffee antivirus, in case that might have any issue...
I have a Radeon VE display adapter (ATI Technologies) version 6.13.10.6006 My machine is a still-under-warranty Dell system.
I ran [makefcfg.exe]...as: makefcfg.exe 16 true overwrite and that added some VESA drives/modes, but I was unable to use any of them!
If anyone has an ATI Radeon VE display adapter and has tried to use Fractint with it, please send your experiences -- both good and bad (and op sys version) to the Fractint list serve. Thank you. - Hal Lane
John Wilson wrote:
....I wonder if I can run Fractint in my new computer? I can, SF1 (1280 x 1024) is usable, so I am re-joining the list ...... I have XP Media Center Edition installed. This is apparently a subset of XP Pro, not the Home edition.
So, I am wondering if your problem resides not in your graphics adapter, but in your XP version?
No, the version of XP does not have anything to do with it. See my reply dated Thu, 15 June 2006 in the FractInt archives: http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/list/fractint.en.html/ That is, of course, if the archives are keeping all posted messages correctly, and nobody is deleting specific ones or only allowing some of them.
I can't be sure, as *my* adapter is a RADEON X300 SE (0x5B60), ATI Technologies Inc.
And what did MAKEFCFG.EXE produce in the way of a FRACTINT.CFG file for your adapter?? Or have you tried running the program?? Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
Paul... Yes, I had run MAKEFCFG.EXE, and below is the file produced. On checking through the archives I see that this discussion is by no means new. I just haven't been around for the earlier messages. I'm puzzled, still, about this seeming dependance of Fractint upon the flavor of the XP installed. Maybe it's coincidence that the later shop-bought machines come with video adapters that are useable? What I was unable to do on my old computer, (XP Home), was to run more than a couple of DOS commands. On the new one I can enter DOS from Start, Programs, Accessories, Command Prompt. There I can perform a "MEM/C|MORE" whereupon I can see DOS loaded into upper memory, just like the "good old days". Surely this is a factor in the running of Fractint? No? ; FRACTINT.CFG File ;key name of adapter/mode | AX | BX | CX | DX |mode| x | y |clr| comments ;================================================================================= F2 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,182, 0, 0, 28, 320, 200, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 F3 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,192, 0, 0, 28, 320, 240, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 F4 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,1A2, 0, 0, 28, 400, 300, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 F5 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,1B2, 0, 0, 28, 512, 384, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 F6 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,1C2, 0, 0, 28, 640, 350, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 F7 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,100, 0, 0, 28, 640, 400, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 F8 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,101, 0, 0, 28, 640, 480, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 F9 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,103, 0, 0, 28, 800, 600, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 F10 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,105, 0, 0, 28,1024, 768, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 SF1 ,VESA Color Palette Mode ,4f02,107, 0, 0, 28,1280,1024, 256,VESA mode from OEM ATI RV380 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> To: <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fractint] A request to ATI Radeon VE display adapter users reFractint.
John Wilson wrote:
....I wonder if I can run Fractint in my new computer? I can, SF1 (1280 x 1024) is usable, so I am re-joining the list ...... I have XP Media Center Edition installed. This is apparently a subset of XP Pro, not the Home edition.
So, I am wondering if your problem resides not in your graphics adapter, but in your XP version?
No, the version of XP does not have anything to do with it. See my reply dated Thu, 15 June 2006 in the FractInt archives: http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/list/fractint.en.html/ That is, of course, if the archives are keeping all posted messages correctly, and nobody is deleting specific ones or only allowing some of them.
I can't be sure, as *my* adapter is a RADEON X300 SE (0x5B60), ATI Technologies Inc.
And what did MAKEFCFG.EXE produce in the way of a FRACTINT.CFG file for your adapter?? Or have you tried running the program??
Sincerely, P.N.L.
John Wilson wrote:
Paul... Yes, I had run MAKEFCFG.EXE, and below is the file produced.
Thank you for this part of it, but was wondering if you could re-run it using these options: makefcfg.exe 16 true overwrite and then send me the resulting file as an attachment, along with the complete video card name, manufacturer, model number, driver version, OS version, modes that work with what was created, etc.... I am trying to compile a list of various environments to make available online for current and future Users of FractInt. And if anybody else would care to take the time to do this, it would be much appreciated. Just send the data privately instead of to the List.
On checking through the archives I see that this discussion is by no means new.
Yes, it has been discussed on and off for about six years now, ever since Win-2K came out (and to some extent, ever since Win-9x was released).
I just haven't been around for the earlier messages.
Yes, my fairly recent replies on this topic have been in the latter half of June of this year up until now. Jim's posted message (where he talked about thinking it had to do with Win-XP Pro) was posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 at 11:47:29 -0400. That was when I replied later in the night with more specific details on the differences with Pro versus Home editions of Win-XP.
I'm puzzled, still, about this seeming dependance of Fractint upon the flavor of the XP installed.
There is no dependence on the edition of Win-XP, or it's release or version. I currently own twelve different machines, all running different Windows OS versions. Three of them are using the Home edition, each with different video cards. And they are all capable of running FractInt and producing images and various display modes.
Maybe it's coincidence that the later shop-bought machines come with video adapters that are useable?
Every different video card available, along with all the different version levels of drivers that can go with any single card, make up so many variations in the environment with which something can run, that it is just happens to be exactly that in your situation: a coincidence.
What I was unable to do on my old computer, (XP Home), was to run more than a couple of DOS commands. On the new one I can enter DOS from Start, Programs, Accessories, Command Prompt. There I can perform a "MEM/C|MORE" whereupon I can see DOS loaded into upper memory, just like the "good old days". Surely this is a factor in the running of Fractint? No?
I can do DOS commands, from the Command Prompt, on all of the Home editions of Win-XP running on my machines. Have been doing so for several years now. Not having access to your old machine, I can not say exactly what problems you were having, nor how they could have been resolved. Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
All, As a point of interest, I have noticed that after I use the hibernate feature, Fractint is not able to use the video adapter correctly. But, after a normal boot, Fractint works fine. I'm using the Media Center version of XP with an ATI Mobility Radeon X600 video adapter. Jonathan
Jonathan Osuch wrote:
As a point of interest, I have noticed that after I use the hibernate feature, Fractint is not able to use the video adapter correctly. But, after a normal boot, Fractint works fine. I'm using the Media Center version of XP with an ATI Mobility Radeon X600 video adapter.
Hibernation is a feature that I've only seen reliably work on ONE piece of hardware - the old IBM PS/1 home computers. Too many times, onboard devices don't get restored to their pre-hibernation state. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community
Paul, maybe you can help me. I have been clinging tenaciously to Windoze 98 because I thought DOS programs could not be run under versions beyond 98se. If you are in fact running DOS Fractint under XP, could you point me toward an informational link? Also, is FAT16 crucial to running DOS apps under Windoze? Evil Bill FAT32'd me when I made the mistake or running an upgrade from Win98 to 98se on automatic, and I have had nothing but trouble with everything from DOS apps to Win-based graphic editors to web browser (Exploder 6.0) ever since. TIA, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> To: <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 22:11 Subject: Re: [Fractint] A request to ATI Radeon VE display adapter usersreFractint. ...
I'm puzzled, still, about this seeming dependance of Fractint upon the flavor of the XP installed.
There is no dependence on the edition of Win-XP, or it's release or version. I currently own twelve different machines, all running different Windows OS versions. Three of them are using the Home edition, each with different video cards. And they are all capable of running FractInt and producing images and various display modes.
Maybe it's coincidence that the later shop-bought machines come with video adapters that are useable?
Every different video card available, along with all the different version levels of drivers that can go with any single card, make up so many variations in the environment with which something can run, that it is just happens to be exactly that in your situation: a coincidence.
What I was unable to do on my old computer, (XP Home), was to run more than a couple of DOS commands. On the new one I can enter DOS from Start, Programs, Accessories, Command Prompt. There I can perform a "MEM/C|MORE" whereupon I can see DOS loaded into upper memory, just like the "good old days". Surely this is a factor in the running of Fractint? No?
I can do DOS commands, from the Command Prompt, on all of the Home editions of Win-XP running on my machines. Have been doing so for several years now. Not having access to your old machine, I can not say exactly what problems you were having, nor how they could have been resolved.
Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
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Mark Christenson wrote:
Paul, maybe you can help me. I have been clinging tenaciously to Windoze 98 because I thought DOS programs could not be run under versions beyond 98se.
Well, this week Microsoft made it official concerning Windows-98 and ME. They no longer will support the 5 million or so users that still have such versions running.
If you are in fact running DOS Fractint under XP, could you point me toward an informational link?
There are many such webpages available around the Internet (probably a few million), though they are not specifically geared towards FractInt. Here are some general ones to get you started: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314106/ http://www.sysopt.com/tutorials/article.php/3532691 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1758198,00.asp http://www.longhighway.com/sandbox/xp.html http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/software/0,39044822,39069928-39000221c-2,00... I am working on creating a webpage that is more suited for the FractInt application within the Win-XP OS. But that is being written in my spare time, which is in very short supply lately. Hopefully I will have it finished by the time the current developer's version of FractInt becomes an official release by being published on the Spanky website.
Also, is FAT16 crucial to running DOS apps under Windoze?
I still run an upgraded Windows-98 Second Edition machine (4.10.2222 A). And it has been using FAT-32 for at least six years without a problem. In fact, the majority of Jim Muth's FOTD images, on the webpages I host, were rendered from that machine. All I can say is, if you are thinking of getting another machine with the latest Windows OS, then I would take a copy of FractInt, along with the MAKEFCFG.EXE program, and just test it out on any system you may be considering on purchasing. It will let you know right then what it is capable of handling, specifically the video-display modes. Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
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