Greetings, Some time (nearly a year) ago I, finally posted details of a huge set of beautiful IFS spirals which I have found to the Apophysis forum, at http://www.apophysis.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1352&p=0&e=0&sid=d884207... They were found using combinatorics methods, i.e. starting with a small set of holons and varying certain characteristics of these, such as rotation or relative position. The zip files include a text tile giving more details. These are also able to be rendered in Fractint, or adapted, I would imagine, to 3d versions in XenoDream. Also, in Apophysis, they could all be considered as keyframes for an endless animation, from any one of them to any other and so on. This might be the most profound way of using them. Hope someone finds a use for these. Tony Hanmer Tbilisi, Republic of Georgia