ok ok OK! - I get it! I feel like a dork - I oughtta hunt that F@#! down for that! Well try these then, animations of Russ Wallsmith images posted a short time ago: Psychotic Sunset. WMV 640x480 55 sec 10 meg: http://www.fractal-animation.net/sunset.zip Rainbows and Crop Circles. WMV 640x480 32 sec 6 meg: http://www.fractal-animation.net/rcc.zip Cheers JoTz