vas ist de problem mit ze fwactint seuveu?

und vy noone like ze baboon animashun?

i sink ze vorld end zoon.

i make a funny like sebastien

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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 10:44:47 -0500
From: Timothy Wegner <tim@tswegner.net>
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> > Will FreeDOS run on 64 bit machines ?
>
Absolutely yes. DOSBox will also run directly under Ubuntu. I haven't tried
Wine with some version of DOS to run Fractint, sounds complicated, and
DOSBox already has more or less done that.
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Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 12:05:32 -0800
From: David W Riccio <lcd-master@lemoncreekdigital.com>
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FreeDOS will run on a 64bit Core2 Intel (I have tested on a Dell 755,
Dell 760, and a Dell 780)
(installed on hard drive and also from USB drive)

FreeDOS will also run in a Virtual Machine (I have tested on Oracle
Virtual Box, under Ubuntu 12 / 13 and under Mint 15 / 16 and under
Fedora 17 / 18 / 19 / 20) ... you have control of how much processor
time you give the virtual machine and how much memory.

On 06/07/2014 03:10 AM, sciwise@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>
> As I speak I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 , from a 16GB
>
> USB ROM Stick .
>
> There's a menu option , at boot up , to go to either Ubuntu, the
> default , or Windows .
>
> To try out FreeDos as you recommend , I'd need
>
> to obtain another USB Stick .
>
> Another possibility , though possibly slower ,
>
> use Wine with Ubuntu to run Fractint .
>
> Will FreeDOS run on 64 bit machines ?
>
> On 05/03/2014 09:47, Timothy Wegner wrote:
>
>> This is just a preliminary report, but I think I have found a
>> solution for running the DOS fractint that will work for a lot of
>> people, and one that the Fractint team (such as it is) might be able
>> to support. This makes it possible to run the DOS fractint on modern
>> combuters.
>> The hardware requirements are:
>> 1. Bios that permits booting from a USB drive
>> 2. Graphics with decent VESA video mode support.
>> I bought a bunch of Sandisk Cruzer Fit 8 gb USB drives. These are
>> physically almost too small, they are not much larger than the USB
>> connector itself. I have seen some complaints that some software
>> recognizes them as fixed drives and won't format them. This actually
>> worked to my advantage, because the Award BIOS of my XP machine
>> treated it as a hard drive and let me select the Cruzer Fit to boot from.
>> There's a terrific free tool called rufus available here:
>> http://rufus.akeo.ie/
>> that runs under Windows (in my case Windows 8.1 64 bit) and can
>> format the USB drive to boot to DOS. I used FreeDOS, but you can use
>> just about any DOS instead. I like using FreeDOS because the default
>> installation seems to do what Fractint needs with extended memory
>> etc. I will verify that this is right.
>> Then I dumped the entire fractint distribution on the USB, with the
>> single difference that I used a fractint.cfg generated by makecfg.exe
>> with the VESA modes for my XP machine.
>> When I ran Fractint, every VESA mode worked, even modes that exceeded
>> the native resolution of my cheap secondary LCD monitor. The problems
>> using higher resolution modes on the same computer under Windows XP
>> vanished.
>> On a related note, I am thinking about putting up a wiki at
>> fractint.net/.org <http://fractint.net/.org>. We could put up
>> instructions like this, par files, images, etc. I wouldn't want to
>> pre-empt others that have fractal sites, but the idea is just to
>> provide more information that would help folks use this ancient DOS
>> program.
>> I would like to hear from anyone else who has used a
>> DOS-from-usb-drive environment to run Fractint. One could literally
>> have a DOS fractint environment booting from on a machine with no
>> hard drives.
>> Tim
>
>
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Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:08:28 -1000
From: david <gnome@hawaii.rr.com>
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Hmm, never tried FreeDOS under a VM. On a multicore processor, you could
give the FreeDOS VM one core to itself. That should minimize impact on
anything else the system is doing.

On 06/07/2014 10:05 AM, David W Riccio wrote:
> FreeDOS will run on a 64bit Core2 Intel (I have tested on a Dell 755,
> Dell 760, and a Dell 780)
> (installed on hard drive and also from USB drive)
>
> FreeDOS will also run in a Virtual Machine (I have tested on Oracle
> Virtual Box, under Ubuntu 12 / 13 and under Mint 15 / 16 and under
> Fedora 17 / 18 / 19 / 20) ... you have control of how much processor
> time you give the virtual machine and how much memory.
>
> On 06/07/2014 03:10 AM, sciwise@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>>
>> As I speak I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 , from a 16GB
>>
>> USB ROM Stick .
>>
>> There's a menu option , at boot up , to go to either Ubuntu, the
>> default , or Windows .
>>
>> To try out FreeDos as you recommend , I'd need
>>
>> to obtain another USB Stick .
>>
>> Another possibility , though possibly slower ,
>>
>> use Wine with Ubuntu to run Fractint .
>>
>> Will FreeDOS run on 64 bit machines ?
>>
>> On 05/03/2014 09:47, Timothy Wegner wrote:
>>
>>> This is just a preliminary report, but I think I have found a
>>> solution for running the DOS fractint that will work for a lot of
>>> people, and one that the Fractint team (such as it is) might be able
>>> to support. This makes it possible to run the DOS fractint on modern
>>> combuters.
>>> The hardware requirements are:
>>> 1. Bios that permits booting from a USB drive
>>> 2. Graphics with decent VESA video mode support.
>>> I bought a bunch of Sandisk Cruzer Fit 8 gb USB drives. These are
>>> physically almost too small, they are not much larger than the USB
>>> connector itself. I have seen some complaints that some software
>>> recognizes them as fixed drives and won't format them. This actually
>>> worked to my advantage, because the Award BIOS of my XP machine
>>> treated it as a hard drive and let me select the Cruzer Fit to boot from.
>>> There's a terrific free tool called rufus available here:
>>> http://rufus.akeo.ie/
>>> that runs under Windows (in my case Windows 8.1 64 bit) and can
>>> format the USB drive to boot to DOS. I used FreeDOS, but you can use
>>> just about any DOS instead. I like using FreeDOS because the default
>>> installation seems to do what Fractint needs with extended memory
>>> etc. I will verify that this is right.
>>> Then I dumped the entire fractint distribution on the USB, with the
>>> single difference that I used a fractint.cfg generated by makecfg.exe
>>> with the VESA modes for my XP machine.
>>> When I ran Fractint, every VESA mode worked, even modes that exceeded
>>> the native resolution of my cheap secondary LCD monitor. The problems
>>> using higher resolution modes on the same computer under Windows XP
>>> vanished.
>>> On a related note, I am thinking about putting up a wiki at
>>> fractint.net/.org <http://fractint.net/.org>. We could put up
>>> instructions like this, par files, images, etc. I wouldn't want to
>>> pre-empt others that have fractal sites, but the idea is just to
>>> provide more information that would help folks use this ancient DOS
>>> program.
>>> I would like to hear from anyone else who has used a
>>> DOS-from-usb-drive environment to run Fractint. One could literally
>>> have a DOS fractint environment booting from on a machine with no
>>> hard drives.
>>> Tim
>>
>>
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> --
>
> -David
>
> David W Ricciodavid@lemoncreekdigital.com
> Lemon Creek Digital
> (907) 780-6122
> www.lemoncreekdigital.com

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 12:26:27 -0800
From: David W Riccio <lcd-master@lemoncreekdigital.com>
To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion
<fractint@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [Fractint] Fractint under FREEDOS from USB drive
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Yes, that is the config I am running, give the DOS VM a core for it's
own and let it use 100% ... even on a Core2 this does not really impact
your ability to do other things while the Fractal Machine is running.
On a 4Core machine I have run 3 copies of the VM with not much impact to
the host. This will work with FreeDOS VM and Microsoft DOS VMs, It will
also run under a WinXP VM, and a Win98 VM.

The most stable platform for the VMs with the least problems seems to be
Mint 16 (about March, 2014 vintage + patches)...
But all the Debian variation seem to work OK ... Use the Virtual Box
that is in the standard software library (I have had problems using the
latest versions on the Oracle site, there are issues with compatible
libraries, etc)

Moving images from the Dos VM Hard Drive can be an issue ... you need to
setup a shared drive and networking under DOS ... FreeDOS has tools for
this, also MS DOS has access to Microsoft's Networking tools. But it
can be a pain to get everything talking.

The Oracle extensions will work under WinXP and let the WinXP machine
share a drive space with the host.

On 06/07/2014 12:08 PM, david wrote:
> Hmm, never tried FreeDOS under a VM. On a multicore processor, you
> could give the FreeDOS VM one core to itself. That should minimize
> impact on anything else the system is doing.
>
> On 06/07/2014 10:05 AM, David W Riccio wrote:
>> FreeDOS will run on a 64bit Core2 Intel (I have tested on a Dell 755,
>> Dell 760, and a Dell 780)
>> (installed on hard drive and also from USB drive)
>>
>> FreeDOS will also run in a Virtual Machine (I have tested on Oracle
>> Virtual Box, under Ubuntu 12 / 13 and under Mint 15 / 16 and under
>> Fedora 17 / 18 / 19 / 20) ... you have control of how much processor
>> time you give the virtual machine and how much memory.
>>
>> On 06/07/2014 03:10 AM, sciwise@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>>>
>>> As I speak I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 , from a 16GB
>>>
>>> USB ROM Stick .
>>>
>>> There's a menu option , at boot up , to go to either Ubuntu, the
>>> default , or Windows .
>>>
>>> To try out FreeDos as you recommend , I'd need
>>>
>>> to obtain another USB Stick .
>>>
>>> Another possibility , though possibly slower ,
>>>
>>> use Wine with Ubuntu to run Fractint .
>>>
>>> Will FreeDOS run on 64 bit machines ?
>>>
>>> On 05/03/2014 09:47, Timothy Wegner wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is just a preliminary report, but I think I have found a
>>>> solution for running the DOS fractint that will work for a lot of
>>>> people, and one that the Fractint team (such as it is) might be able
>>>> to support. This makes it possible to run the DOS fractint on modern
>>>> combuters.
>>>> The hardware requirements are:
>>>> 1. Bios that permits booting from a USB drive
>>>> 2. Graphics with decent VESA video mode support.
>>>> I bought a bunch of Sandisk Cruzer Fit 8 gb USB drives. These are
>>>> physically almost too small, they are not much larger than the USB
>>>> connector itself. I have seen some complaints that some software
>>>> recognizes them as fixed drives and won't format them. This actually
>>>> worked to my advantage, because the Award BIOS of my XP machine
>>>> treated it as a hard drive and let me select the Cruzer Fit to boot
>>>> from.
>>>> There's a terrific free tool called rufus available here:
>>>> http://rufus.akeo.ie/
>>>> that runs under Windows (in my case Windows 8.1 64 bit) and can
>>>> format the USB drive to boot to DOS. I used FreeDOS, but you can use
>>>> just about any DOS instead. I like using FreeDOS because the default
>>>> installation seems to do what Fractint needs with extended memory
>>>> etc. I will verify that this is right.
>>>> Then I dumped the entire fractint distribution on the USB, with the
>>>> single difference that I used a fractint.cfg generated by makecfg.exe
>>>> with the VESA modes for my XP machine.
>>>> When I ran Fractint, every VESA mode worked, even modes that exceeded
>>>> the native resolution of my cheap secondary LCD monitor. The problems
>>>> using higher resolution modes on the same computer under Windows XP
>>>> vanished.
>>>> On a related note, I am thinking about putting up a wiki at
>>>> fractint.net/.org <http://fractint.net/.org>. We could put up
>>>> instructions like this, par files, images, etc. I wouldn't want to
>>>> pre-empt others that have fractal sites, but the idea is just to
>>>> provide more information that would help folks use this ancient DOS
>>>> program.
>>>> I would like to hear from anyone else who has used a
>>>> DOS-from-usb-drive environment to run Fractint. One could literally
>>>> have a DOS fractint environment booting from on a machine with no
>>>> hard drives.
>>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Fractint mailing list
>>> Fractint@mailman.xmission.com
>>> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint
>>
>> --
>>
>> -David
>>
>> David W Ricciodavid@lemoncreekdigital.com
>> Lemon Creek Digital
>> (907) 780-6122
>> www.lemoncreekdigital.com
>
>

David W Riccio david@lemoncreekdigital.com
Lemon Creek Digital
(907) 780-6122
www.lemoncreekdigital.com

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