'This conundrum has plagued all religions from the beginning' Not quite I think ... surely just the modern monotheistic control freak religions......... Paddy
-----Original Message----- From: fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractint- bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David M Fisher Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:53 PM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: FOTD 16-01-08 (Pipefish Valley [6.5])
Paul, Free will Has to exist or one of the foundation stones of all religions would be missing and the structure could not stand. Without free will there can be No Sin, Evil, or anything bad or immoral. All would be predestined, without change, and therefore no fault could be ascribed to anyone/anything because it would be the way it would be by divine plan (destiny). The other side of the coin is interesting, too. With free will the individual has a choice, which by definition, means a power of will outside of divine control, above and beyond the god's power. This conundrum has plagued all religions from the beginnig for without free will there is no sin, and with it there is no imnopotent, onmiscient god. The two are mutually exclusive. There's more, but I think this gets the idea across.
David M Fisher
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> To: <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: <philofractal@lists.fractalus.com> Sent: Wednesday, 16 January, 2008 23 24 Subject: [Fractint] Re: FOTD 16-01-08 (Pipefish Valley [6.5])
John Lewis replied:
Jim Muth on Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:57:06 -0500 wrote:
if God, who is never wrong, tells me the future, will I still have the free will to avoid the things he tells me will happen?
Probably why He won't! :-)
Who says that free will even exists?? No matter what you try to do, something might cause the outcome to be the same as predicted.
Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
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