Vortex Swirling say: "I'm trying to imagine myself what pattern one might find in the mandelbrot which shouldn't be there or was placed there deliberately. Would it be the discovery of a phone number that when called would play a recording telling you all the knowledge of the universe? But not before requiring you to reverse the charges. ;)" I have always believed there is something there we haven't found yet, and it isn't supposed to be easy. I have always been intrigued by the part where the main right cardiod joins the first spherical subset; I call it the center of the Mandelbrot but technically it isn't. The region at REAL = -0.75 , IMAG = 0. I believe if we could see this region with the Mandelbrot expanded to the Magic "Universe" zoom depth of E+26, we will find the Keys to Creation, or maybe The Creator Himself smiling back at us. The reason I think this is because it is so difficult to get there! I have been trying for years. I actually made a zoom animation to about E+12 (it is posted on my site) but then fractint choked and I couldn't go any further. Also, rendering time is horrendously long in this region, at e+12 even 320x240 images take hours. And fractint has a deep zoom bug with all versions since 1995. I found this out while rendering my "Universe #3" viddie. It just freezes when it encounters a minibrot, but I don't know the exact depth at which it starts. This bug (er, - "software issue") has been carried foreward presumeably because noone zooms that deep and noone reported it. I found by trial and error that the 1995 edition doesn't have it, so maybe that was the problem with my zooms into the Canyon. I am trying again with a BASIC script that "feels it's way" down the canyon, approaching REAL/IMAG = -0.75/0, and zooming ever deeper, currently I am at e+13. The images look bizzare, a black wall on either side with a colored lake in the middle, bounded by ever more complex swirling buds and things that don't look anymore like sea-horses. This is gonna take awhile ... ... ... Stay Amazed! JoTz