----- David said: ------ Don't know about the Windows version [of Fractint]... IIRC, the DOS version just supported VESA modes and... I'm not familiar with the code for Richard's Fractint for Windows beta 5, but I'm essentially certain that would use entirely new, non-VESA, Windows-compatible graphics calls.
Was there ever a standard VESA mode higher than 1280x1024? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Modes_defined_by_VESA shows the top resolution as 1280×1024. For the displays we had back then, that was a relatively reasonable highest resolution -- especially since Fractint has both built-in and user-definable higher resolution Disk Video Modes...
many vid card makers stopped supporting VESA modes a long while ago. In theory, not having these modes available shouldn't be a problem for Windows-compatible cards, drivers and Fractint for Windows graphics rendering requests...
But, I don't know what's going on in Tony's situation.
OS/2 + DOS Fractint = worked with no problems. OS/2 was a pretty capable OS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 : [*emphasis* is mine.] 'OS/2 2.0 was touted by IBM as "a better DOS than DOS and a better Windows than Windows".[27] It managed this by including fully licensed MS-DOS 5.0 which had been patched and improved upon. For the first time, OS/2 was able to *run* *more* *than* *one* *DOS* *application* *at* *a* *time*. This was so effective that it allowed OS/2 to run a modified copy of Windows 3.0, itself a DOS extender, including Windows 3.0 applications.' That capability might have made it the 1st multi-tasking OS generally available to the public... Back then, IBM shipped their laptops (and likely their desktops, too) with both OS/2 and Windows 3.0 on them, dual-booted. - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane@earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint <fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of david Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:02 PM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Fractint] Video mode limitations Don't know about the Windows version, but the Linux versions happily support resolutions such as my laptop's 1920x1080 resolution. IIRC, the DOS version just supported VESA modes and some obsolete hardware (Hercules monochrome graphics, CGA, VGA). Was there ever a standard VESA mode higher than 1280x1024? Also, many vid card makers stopped supporting VESA modes a long while ago. Reminds me of my adventures decades ago, when I was dualbooting Windows 98 and OS/2 on the same hardware. OS/2 + DOS Fractint = worked with no problems. Could even minimize the Fractint window or leave it in the background and do other things while it calculated. W98 + DOS Fractint = frozen system. On 07/14/2018 12:40 PM, Harold Lane wrote:
I sometime provide too much information... But buried below there might be something useful... -Hal ----- Tony Hanmer said: ---------- I've now tried the Compatibility Troubleshooter, as well as all the manual compatibility modes, and also updated the graphics driver ...all with no difference in what's available for display modes.
That's unfortunate. I recall that some video card manufacturers intentionally omitted support for certain graphics modes in their cards and/or drivers back when primarily DOS Fractint was being used.
The fix was to buy a graphics card that supported the video modes I wanted. I now recall that I had this problem on a WinXP computer and bought a new graphics card that was known to support the resolutions I wanted. This worked for me.
I see on this page: https://tinyurl.com/Intel-HD4000-support or
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/products/81499/graphics-driv ers/graphics-for-3rd-generation-intel-processors/intel-hd-graphics-4000.html
that your graphics processor is likely to be from the era when the omission of support for certain resolutions was going on.
On this 02-Apr-2018 Intel page "Supported 2D/3D Graphics Features": https://tinyurl.com/SupportedIntelGraphicsFeatures or
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000007136/graphics- drivers.html
they have so many Whiz-Bang features to list that they don't bother to list the display resolutions the driver supports!
If you followed *all* the links on this page: https://tinyurl.com/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000-All or
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/products/81499/graphics-driv ers/graphics-for-3rd-generation-intel-processors/intel-hd-graphics-4000.html
you might uncover something useful...
I see that there's an "Intel Driver & Support Assistant (Intel DSA)": https://tinyurl.com/Driver-and-Support-Assistant or https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html?iid=dc_IDSA That could potentially be quite valuable...
This page shows that there are different river files for 32 & 64 Win-10, and has *additional* info: https://tinyurl.com/IntelGraphicsDriverforWindows or
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27417/Intel-Graphics-Driver-for-Wi ndows-15-33-
https://tinyurl.com/Intel-HD4000-support I saw on the page above that they actually released a driver for that
card/graphics processor on 03-Jan-2018. Is that the one you now have? <--<<
- Hal Lane
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From: Tony Hanmer <a.hanmer@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:35 AM To: Hal Lane <hallane@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Fractint] Video mode limitations
Hi Hal,
Many thanks for the speedy response! I've now tried the Compatibility Troubleshooter, as well as all the manual
compatibility modes, and also updated the graphics driver (an Intel HD 4000), and restarted the computer as well; all with no difference in what's available for display modes. But thanks again for trying, and I'll make do with 800 x 600 - better than nothing.
Best,
Tony
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 11:13, Harold Lane <mailto:hallane@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Tony, I don't see anything obviously wrong with your Fractint.cfg file.
I use: - DOS Fractint in WinXP under VirtualBox, - Jonathan's FractSD, and - Richard's Fractint for Windows beta 5 but, I'm not familiar with FractInt for Windows version 20.99.8
Wait a minute! Richard's Fractint for Windows beta 5 is internally labeled: "Fractint version 20.99.8", so I *am* familiar with this version.
For completeness, this is where I got Richard's program: https://tinyurl.com/Richards-Fractint-for-WinBeta5 or:
https://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/2007/04/13/fractint-for-windows-beta -5/
I ran it just now and successfully used all these 256-color onscreen resolutions: 800x600 1024x768 1200x900 1280x960
Did you successfully run FractInt for Windows version 20.99.8 at higher resolutions than 800 x 600 under any earlier versions of Windows on your *Win 10* *computer* with the *same* graphics card?
Did you successfully run FractInt for Windows version 20.99.8 at higher resolutions than 800 x 600 under any earlier versions of Windows on a *different* computer?
It kind of smells like there's somethung going on with how FracInt for Windows version 20.99.8 interfaces with whatever video drivers you are using with your graphics card in Win 10.
A standard thing to try is to check whether your graphics card manufacturer has any updated video drivers for your card...
In the event of problems when trying another driver, it's supposed to be easy to roll back drivers, although I have not had occasion to do this myself.
Another thing that I've not done myself, but might be useful, is to try the Windows 10 Compatibility Troubleshooter. I think it can provide some backwards-compatible environments for older programs.
Invoke the Windows 10 Compatibility Troubleshooter by right clicking Fractint.exe and choosing: Troubleshoot compatibility.
This video shows that being done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjeu6hVi0tw
It also show using a manual method with more visibility of the settings you are getting: right click the Fractint.exe and choose: Properties > Compatibility tab and make adjustments.
I'd be interested to hear of the results of your: - possible video driver update, and < - - << (Check this first.) - compatibility Troubleshooting
I'm leaning towards it being a video *card* or video *driver* compatibility problem...
- Hal Lane
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-----Original Message----- From: Fractint <mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of
Tony
Hanmer Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 8:04 AM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <mailto:fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: [Fractint] Video mode limitations
Greetings,
I'm using FracInt for Windows version 20.99.8 in Windows 10. Here I seem to be limited to a max display size (though not a render size) of 800 x 600 pixels. My Fractint.cfg file is currently as follows:
; FRACTINT.CFG File ; Don't use TABs when editing this file. ; The driver field is required or the mode will be skipped. ; If the driver rejects the mode, it won't be added to the mode list. ;key name of adapter/mode | AX | BX | CX | DX |mode| x | y |clr| comments | driver
;===========================================================================
============== F2 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 320, 240,256,,gdi F3 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 400, 300,256,,gdi F4 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 600, 450,256,,gdi F5 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 640, 480,256,,gdi F6 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 800, 600,256,,gdi F7 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1024, 768,256,,gdi F8 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1200, 900,256,,gdi F9 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1280, 960,256,,gdi SF2 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 8192, 8192,256,,disk SF3 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,16304,16304,256,,disk SF4 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,30000,30000,256,,disk SF5 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 640, 400,256,,disk SF6 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 640, 480,256,,disk SF7 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 800, 600,256,,disk SF8 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1024, 768,256,,disk SF9 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1280, 1024,256,,disk CF1 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 8000, 8000,256,,disk CF2 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,30000,22500,256,,disk CF3 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,16304,12228,256,,disk CF4 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,32608,24456,256,,disk CF5 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 8192, 6144,256,,disk
But nothing past that 800 x 600 shows up in available video modes in FractInt. Any help, please?
Many thanks,
Tony Hanmer
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