Thank you for attempting to correct my misunderstanding of your methodology, Albrecht. I hope that a frank, straight forward discussion will be helpful to us both in understanding each others' rationale and positions. It would be nice if others participate so we can all expand our horizons a few inches. Hopefully, we can avoid stepping on each others' toes along the way.

I am trying hard to understand. You use a fractal image as your underlying input structure, and sample points on it using another fractal image - the IFS fractal image - as it is generated one point at a time. Different IFS fractal images sample those points in different patterns, producing different sounds from the same underlying (fractal) image. I'm sure there is a lot more to what you are doing, but is that the gist of it? Would you agree that that still puts you on the "mapping" side of things as opposed to the "iterative" side?

"What makes it Fractal Music is the IFS Fractal used for scanning."

I am a bit confused by your term "scanning". Is that another term for sampling? And, assuming that it is "fractal" what makes it "music"?

" I use fractals because they quite often have a visible mathematical structure and order..."

Why is that important?

" No photo or painting has that quality with one exception: Some abstract paintings look like fractals and some of my images look like paintings."

With all  due respect, that seems nonsensical to me. Your one exception immediately became several, and your premise is simply bizarre. On what basis can you make such an unequivocal statement? Based on what you say, I am more convinced than ever that using a fractal image as your input is totally unnecessary, and a huge (infinite?) variety of images could provide just as interesting an input for your IFS sampling. BTW, what color depth are your input images?

"...uses the smallest possible parts of a note.."

I haven't the slightest idea what that is. A 1/16th note? a 1/128th note? a grace note? a millisecond? nanosecond?

The above are some questions that you may have satisfactory answers to. But the underlying objection that I have with your "fractal music" is simply that it all sounds the same to me. There are very few different notes involved and the meter never changes within a piece. I do hear accents at different points. Is that the "fractal rhythm" you refer to? I honestly can't recognize or differentiate which is which after listening for a few moments to Tranquillity and Contemplation.  I find both to be about as non-chaotic as anything I can imagine. If they are "fractal", in my opinion you have tamed the beast so much that it has become pedantric. The mental image I get when listening is one of an endless sea of tranquility, gently undulating as far as one can see...and beyond. Nothing chaotic about it. After listening to a number of your submissions, that opinion is only reinforced. Relaxing, soothing, calming, meditative, trance-inducing...yes. Chaotic? No.

How about giving us a "hurricane"?

Bill
On 10/20/2014 6:19 AM, Albrechtx wrote:
"Albrecht appears to follow the mapping path, picking interesting looking fractal images and, using his special algorythms, overlays, manipulates, massages and shifts to produce his trademark hypnotic, meditative and comfortable sound...almost trance inducing. Far from the chaotic images that are used for input, in my opinion. I would love to hear some discussion as to whether sounds mapped from a fractal image are, in themselves, fractal or not. Are they any different from the sounds produced by the same manipulations of non-fractal images with some variety in them? Would one be able to say with any certainty in a blind test which sounds came from the fractal image and which from the non-fractal image? Albrecht and I have had our own discussions about this, but I would love to get input from others."
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Bill, I have to reply to this myself, because there is some misunderstanding.
The used image does not make it Fractal Music. I use fractals because they quite often have
a visible mathematical structure and order both in  relation to the nature of the image and
the distribution of the colors. No photo or painting has that quality with one exception: Some abstract paintings look like fractals and some of my images look like paintings.
If you take a normal image, say the desktop background it will sound dull and disapointing
as this quality is missing.
What makes it Fractal Music is the IFS Fractal used for scanning. There are many to choose from,
but they all have a strict fractal mathematical order of dots and they are responsible
for the term Fractal Music - in connection ith the basic image.  if I use the same image together with
different IFS fractals it will generate completely different music - rhythm and notes.
The basic image supplies the input.
You may have a different opinion regarding my "fractal rhythm" which uses the smallest possible
parts of a note to generate my shifting musical story which never repeats.
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Hope, this makes it clear.
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Albrecht




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