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Re: [Fractint] <Albrecht> Today I created a new MFR14-2 version...
by David Jones 01 Jan '16

01 Jan '16

"The Word For World Is Forest" - U. K. le Guin I like what Albrecht is doing and has done with Fractint, but I have little time for making fractals at the moment. So I look at his images and go, "Someday I'll get to do something with his formulae." Does anyone know if Xfractint has the same memory limitations as DOS Fractint? David W. Jones gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.comOn Dec 31, 2015 22:45, John Wilson <1stdiscus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Albrecht, > > If you're familiar with le Guin, I'm surprised that you don't know > Douglas Adams. I was irresistibly reminded of "So long and thanks for all > the fish" when I thanked you for all your fractals. Sorry, didn't mean to > confuse, I leave that job to you. "Das Wort für Welt ist Wald"? The > closest analogy I can think of is; "Can't see the forest for the trees". > I'll drink to that. > In your words, "I have tried more than once to explain the whole story > but every time had to learn > that no one else was willing or able to follow > > ". Maybe this should have been written; "I don't have the talent to > make my subject interesting and informative enough to gain a wider > audience". Yes? > > Stay amazing, > > John W. > > On 31 December 2015 at 18:23, Albrecht Niekamp <multifrac(a)t-online.de> > wrote: > > > Am 31.12.2015 um 23:04 schrieb John Wilson: > > > >> You know, Albrecht, I believe you would be far more appreciated if you > >> would just SLOW DOWN A LITTLE > >> > > Slow down? - The journey has ended April,2015. Since then no more updates > > to > > mfr14_2 were published..And a time of more then 10 years is not that fast, > > isn´t it ? > > I´m sticking with Cubby since July without problems - only from time to > > time I must use > > the cloud space for other purposes and after that the link has changed, > > sorry for that. > > But I see the problem - other users share it with you - : > > I´m extending the limits of Fractint and to do so I have to do things > > which are not easy to > > follow or understand, breaking the rules so to speak. > > For instance I use the inputs in a way not intended by the original > > authors and the whole > > Multifractal concept is not easy to understand. I only will mention the > > problem how > > to tell the frm when to stop iterating or go on to the next participating > > formula, starting > > to iterate again or go on iterating - still calculating the same pixel. > > I have tried more then once to explain the whole story but every time had > > to learn > > that no one else was willing or able to follow.. As far as I know only > > Jonathan and > > (partly) Hal and Paul understand what´s going on. > > But it´s my Baby and to know that you´re the only one in the world > > creating this > > kind of fractal images is worth every effort. Agreed? > > Albrecht > > Das Wort für Welt ist Wald (Ursula K.LeGuin) > > ; > > Who is Douglas Adams? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fractint mailing list > > Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint > > > _______________________________________________ > Fractint mailing list > Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint

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Re: [Fractint] <Albrecht> Today I created a new MFR14-2 version...
by Multifrac＠t-online.de 01 Jan '16

01 Jan '16

On 31.12.2015 20:27, Multifrac(a)t-online.de wrote: > On 31.12.2015 16:06, Hal Lane wrote: >>> Today I created a new MFR14-2 version which replaces the >>> >originally used Spider frm by Magnet... >> Where can I get a copy of the new formula? <---<< > Sorry Hal, there is a misunderstanding - I was talking about > the image that exists in a very complex MFR10 version and a > slightly reduced MFR13 version, the one that Llyoyd Garrick > used . > The new version for MFR14-2 is a modification of the MFR10 version > and replaces Spider, which is not used anymore by Magnet. > A new image which only is similar to the previous versions is the result. > If you find the time I strongly recommend to zoom out until you get > about ten different parent views in a row, each one delivers different > zooms. > A happy new year to you and all members of our community! > ; > Albrecht > Das Wort fÃ¼r Welt ist Wald.

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The Magnet Tree
by Albrecht Niekamp 01 Jan '16

01 Jan '16

The Magnet Tree ; To start off the new year here is the first image - a zoom into yesterday´s image. As Hal noted that the par files are corrupted by the mail system they are only included in the Multifractal Archive like the images from now on. ; https://www.cubbyusercontent.com/pl/MultifracArchive/_67536d81761949e592b93… ; Path: MultifracArchive/New/Newgif Image nr.40 Path: MultifracArchive/New/Newpar\NEW.PAR ; Albrecht Das Wort für Welt ist Wald

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Re: [Fractint] <Albrecht> Today I created a new MFR14-2 version...
by Hal Lane 31 Dec '15

31 Dec '15

-------------- schrieb Albrecht ------------------- > Today I created a new MFR14-2 version which replaces the > originally used Spider frm by Magnet... Where can I get a copy of the new formula? <---<< I looked around in your Cubby Archive for quite a while, but I couldn't find it. Where can I get the older versions of all your MFR-xx formulas? <---<< I think it will cause people problems when you change your previously published formulas -- but keep their *original name*. People who try to calculate fractals from your previously published *parameter sets* that used the older version of your formula -- that has the *same name* -- may get a different fractal than they expected, if they inadvertently use a later version formula with the same name. Can you at least change this latest version of your formula's name in some way to prevent it from being used incorrectly with an older parameter set? Perhaps you could call this latest formula: MFR14-2A or something similar (instead of: MFR14-2)... P. S. I like your last 3 images! - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane(a)earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint [mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Albrecht Niekamp Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 1:39 PM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: [Fractint] Gate to the Magnetic World Am 30.12.2015 um 03:09 schrieb Hal Lane: > JoTz also sent me a link to a recent high resolution fractal zoom > animation of his. It's a nice one. Info & link forwarded below. Thank you, Lloyd Garrick and Hal for publishing this great animation which uses one of the most complex images I ever did.Title 35100-44. It was the MFR13 version of a previous even more complex one. Repeated here and also the initial version 35187-TV. Today I created a new MFR14-2 version which replaces the originally used Spider frm by Magnet which is more complex and symmetrical. If you zoom out there is not just one parent view, there is a row like railway stations, each with a different image and ready to zoom into. Images 37,38,39 ; https://www.cubbyusercontent.com/pl/MultifracArchive/_67536d81761949e592b936 0795405d0e ; Path MultifracArchive/New/Newgif ; Albrecht Das Wort für Welt ist Wald ; ----------------------------------------Start Par------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- 35187-59 { ; Gate to the Magnetic Dimension ; MFR14-2 Version_Spider part replaced by Magnet ; Time 0.01.13.32 Reso 1280/1024 ; Bees-Mmods-Secant-Magnet-Newton ; Dec30, 2015 reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=mfr_14.frm formulaname=mfr_14_2 function=sin/acosh/exp/sin passes=t center-mag=-0.16928519692705740/+0.00000039998953260/34.89748/1/90/3.885\ 78058618804789e-016 params=-0.05825983458967864/0.3785210730307932/35187.64595762135/45235.4\ 911030602/152048.0404808023/4.16048940121/23.00482000595/256.1076803001/\ 512.1076803001/768.1076803001 float=y maxiter=3071 inside=maxiter outside=tdis periodicity=0 rseed=-2436 sound=off colors=000<3>000000000000330<6>220220220<3>110000110<2>000KA4<7>gcOjgRmj\ T<3>zzc<9>UOFRKDOGA<3>A00<3>O05R06U07X08`0A<3>l0Fp0Gs0Iw0Jz0K<6>Z0EV0DR0\ C<3>A08004000<26>000<4>000<9>X0a_0dc0h<3>p0w<4>_0dX0aU0Y<2>K0NH0JG0NE1R<\ 3>7UX6`Z4h_2oa0wc<11>2TG2RE3OC<2>4G54D36F5<16>kkammcpoe<3>zwm<3>mhZjdVfa 3>\ S<3>VMCRI8OE4KA0000<41>000 } -------------------------------------End------------------------------------ ---------------- _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Re: [Fractint] Fractint Operating System
by Albrecht Niekamp 30 Dec '15

30 Dec '15

Am 28.12.2015 um 22:00 schrieb LLOYD GARRICK: > > *.* > > > *OK, I'll let you [Hal, Albrecht, other?] be the beta testers.* > > *sorry, I cant´t do that because it involves formatting of the bootstick during installation of dos7 using rufus. One thing must be observed if you want to use the stick bothways: fractint start inside OS (XP dos) and from a bootable dos: Both the fractint.cfg and sstool,ini files s must be placed inside and outside the fractint directory. The outside sstools version must show the path. Albrecht *

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Fractint on a 4k UHD screen
by Albrecht Niekamp 30 Dec '15

30 Dec '15

If you are the lucky owner of such a futuristic device (f.i. by Panasonic) you will note that the Fractint Images are upsampled to a higher resolution and the adaptable background illlunination further enhances the image quality as the brighter parts of the image are elevated, so actually a higher color resolution is shown, I´m always disappointed to see my images on other devices. Just to let you know if you´re thinking about a new TV ; Albrecht Das Wort für Welt ist Wald.

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Info about JoTz's Fractint Boot CD/USB stick
by Hal Lane 29 Dec '15

29 Dec '15

------------- JoTz said to me in a private email: ------------ > ...maybe you can pass the info [about my Fractint Boot > CD/USB stick] to the rest of the [Fractint] mailing list, > as I still cannot seem to post directly to it [after my > recent forced email change.] The collection of emails from JoTz to me re his Fractint boot system are below, including a link to his zipped, downloadable file. JoTz is seeking beta testers... And thanks, Albrecht, for your reposting info on this topic. - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane(a)earthlink.net ######################## ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: LLOYD GARRICK [mailto:lgarr@colorado-hiking.net] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 8:41 PM To: Hal Lane <hallane@???>; Albrecht Niekamp <multifrac@???>; Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint@???> Subject: Fractint Operating System HeadZup folks - welcome me back. Comcast hosed my email 2 months ago and they won't let me fix it. I lost all my contacts, one of which was the fractint list etc., so if NY1 been sending me email and get no response thats why. Now I have this new email and reregistered with the mailing list, although I am having trouble posting and reading; computers suck! [actually, computers ROCK! It's the dum-stoopid peeple sometimes]. I am working on a "fractint operating system" boot CD which should solve all the problems people are having with current non-DOS systems. It will be an "ISO" file and I will post it on my server. All you need to do is use it to burn a boot CD and boot with it on ANY system that has at least one FAT/FAT32 partition on the hardrive, and it will be just like the good old days. Gimme a little more time now - almost done. Full instructions will be included. I am currently doing final touches and "debugging" , should be uploaded soon - this week. IF I can successfully post to the list and let everyone know. JoTz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LLOYD GARRICK [mailto:lgarr@colorado-hiking.net] Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:37 PM To: Hal Lane <hallane(a)earthlink.net>; Albrechtx_Multifract!!! <Multifrac(a)t-online.de>; Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Fractint] Fractint Operating System I hadn't considered the USB stick! Forgot all about it! Thanks for reminding me. I have been using one for years on my DOS-without windows systems. Most systems have "legacy USB support" ; it is usually ON by default, but if not, can be turned on by entering the SETUP (BIOS) screen on startup. Not all sticks work however, depending on how they are formatted - just have to try yours and see. Also, the stick MUST be inserted BEFORE the computer is powered on. I will check-see if it can be used with the boot disk. If so, there may be no need to create a FAT partition! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: LLOYD GARRICK [mailto:lgarr@colorado-hiking.net] Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 4:00 PM To: Hal Lane <hallane(a)earthlink.net>; Albrechtx_Multifract!!! <Multifrac(a)t-online.de>; Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Fractint] Fractint Operating System The file [for my Fractint Boot CD/USB stick system] is uploaded: http://www.fractal-animation.net/special/FractintOS.zip About 21Meg ; it contains the ISO file, a buncha fractint / fractal stuff and detailed instructions. I tried the USB stick method - and it works! So no messing with partitions needed [although I would expect a serious fractalnaut to wanna do it that way ...] Give me feedback and comments so I can refine it if need; it is on my server so anyone can download it; I don't know if this email is going to the full list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ --- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Re: [Fractint] Fractint Operating System
by Hal Lane 28 Dec '15

28 Dec '15

Thanks, Albrecht. I had forgotten you had posted this info before. - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane(a)earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint [mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Albrecht Niekamp Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:55 AM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Fractint] Fractint Operating System Am 28.12.2015 um 05:09 schrieb Hal Lane: > Is a USB thumb drive a reasonable thing to use as a "data drive" > if all I have is a small amount of space left on an all-one-partition > NTFS drive system? As mentioned before I use a 16GB bootstick as a perfect device. Used in 4 (four) different ways successfully: 1. To run XP dos the usual way 2. As a perfect FAT partition with full access also for Win311, Win95 software. 3. As a DOS bootdevice 4. It is plugged into a switchable hub and can boot up my Win7 computer as well, so I have DOS on that machine too. To accomplish that the boot up code must be written using Win7. The Rufus software does the job. Any questions are welcome ; Albrecht Das Wort für Welt ist Wald _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Re: [Fractint] Fractint Operating System
by Hal Lane 28 Dec '15

28 Dec '15

--------- JoTz (LLOYD GARRICK) said ---------------- > Comcast hosed my email… I lost all my contacts... Sorry to hear that. If I can supply you with any needed email addresses of people on the Fractint list please let me know. I've updated your email address in my address book to: lgarr AATT colorado-hiking DDOOTT n e t (That should make it through the email address flter.) > I am having trouble posting and reading… I read here successfully: https://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/search/20151230.124737.00000000@ml:frac… I occasionally refresh the page, and if a right arrow in a circle appears at top right, I click it to have the new post get shown in the list. Oh yeah -- you have to select a date in the *future* at the bottom of the page and click "Jump!" the first time you load the page. A more standard format display list of posts is here: https://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/list/fractint.en.html > I am working on a "fractint operating system" boot CD... I'm interested in your Fractint boot CD. Am I correct in that it will - read formulas and parameter files from, and - store its created images to the FAT/FAT32 hard drive assumed to be in the booted computer? What do you recommend people with one big NTFS partition do? Can your Fractint CD OS read & write files to a USB FAT thumb drive? Is a USB thumb drive a reasonable thing to use as a "data drive" if all I have is a small amount of space left on an all-one-partition NTFS drive system? Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive says: "USB flash drives use the USB mass storage device class standard, supported natively by modern operating systems such as Windows, Linux, OS X and other Unix-like systems, as well as many BIOS boot ROMs." and: "Most flash drives ship preformatted with the FAT32, or ExFat file systems." What OS will your CD use? Will there be any user access to the OS? (For file & folder maintenance, etc.) - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane(a)earthlink.net ######################## From: LLOYD GARRICK [mailto:lgarr@colorado-hiking.net] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 8:41 PM To: Hal Lane <hallane(a)earthlink.net>; Albrecht Niekamp <multifrac(a)t-online.de>; Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Fractint Operating System HeadZup folks - welcome me back. Comcast hosed my email 2 months ago and they won't let me fix it. I lost all my contacts, one of which was the fractint list etc., so if NY1 been sending me email and get no response thats why. Now I have this new email and reregistered with the mailing list, although I am having trouble posting and reading; computers suck! [actually, computers ROCK! It's the dum-stoopid peeple sometimes]. I am working on a "fractint operating system" boot CD which should solve all the problems people are having with current non-DOS systems. It will be an "ISO" file and I will post it on my server. All you need to do is use it to burn a boot CD and boot with it on ANY system that has at least one FAT/FAT32 partition on the hardrive, and it will be just like the good old days. Gimme a little more time now - almost done. Full instructions will be included. I am currently doing final touches and "debugging" , should be uploaded soon - this week. IF I can successfully post to the list and let everyone know. JoTz . --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Re: [Fractint] Far Point
by Hal Lane 27 Dec '15

27 Dec '15

--------- Albrecht said: ------------ > I prefer those "irregular" seemingly chaotic pictures - really > they are not chaotic at all - [they] address your feelings more > directly and have a certain athmosphere... I think "irregular" was a poor word for me to choose. I have not carefully thought out all of the characteristics of a fractal that would make it pleasing to me. ------- I like many features of your image at the link below: Path: MultifracArchive/New/Newgif/36 - 8MAGW-14 https://www.cubbyusercontent.com/pl/MultifracArchive/_67536d81761949e592b93… Aspects of the red "thistle" at the right edge are carried through the rest of the fractal -- both by color and variations on its radiating spikes. The large dark central areas make a nice background for the green and red "lacework" hovering over them. And the green background area provides a connectedness to all the figures that appear on it -- the thistle-like figures and the smaller, curved, dark "blades." -------- Thanks for your code showing: "...Albrecht Niekamp´s definition of a complex number." ********************************************* *** However, I don't understand what this line does: *** d=px/73,37 ********************************************* - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane(a)earthlink.net ######################## From: Albrecht Niekamp [mailto:multifrac@t-online.de] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 4:23 AM To: Hal Lane <hallane(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Fractint] Far Point Am 27.12.2015 um 06:11 schrieb Hal Lane: > My personal sensibilities seem to prefer smoother, less > irregular features in fractal images Thank You, Hal. ; Nowadays, after all those Fractint years I prefer those "irregular" seemingly chaotic pictures - really they are not chaotic at all - which address your feelings more directly and have a certain athmosphere, like that ring of fire in image35. Including one more "irregular" image - for me the best in this series - with par-file plus the parent view - only par-file - for own zooms ; https://www.cubbyusercontent.com/pl/MultifracArchive/_67536d81761949e592b93… ; Image Nr.36 Path MultifracArchive/New/Newgif ; The Reality of the Impossible -------------------------------- This refers to the impossibility of the imaginary part of a complex number that mathematically is defined by a square root of a negative value. Fractint uses them all the time and the real and imaginary parts of the variables are defined by the user as you know. This is the mathematical expression for the imaginary part of a complex number: i2 = -1 i = √-1. ; This image uses Albrecht Niekamp´s definition of a complex number. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Instead of an explanation including the program code performing the task. The variable "PX" used is any number from 02 to 99 where the first figure [digit -hhl] is used for the calculation of the real part and the second number [digit -hhl] for calculation of the imaginary part. Additionally the function used is choosable if requested for more complexity. "FDM" decides if this function (FN4) is altered ---------start code---------------- If (1<px) d=(trunc(px/10))/9 if (fdm) da=fn4(px-100*d) else da=exp(px-100*d) endif d=px/73,37 px=d+sqr(-da) else px=p1 endif -------------------------end code-start par------------------------------- ; 8magw-14 { ; ChaosWorld ; Magnet Only ; Time 0.23.44.87 Reso 11280/1024 ; Dec 26, 2015 reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=mfr14.frm formulaname=multifractal_13 function=sin/exp/exp/sin passes=t center-mag=-0.99810913668919480/+0.32952097815457960/180.9059/1/-137.499\ 99999994165/-5.96633159544168734e-012 params=0/0/80000.645957/14235.4911030602/152048.0404808056/384.160489401\ 21/384.00482000595/256.1007683001/512.1007683001/768.1007683001 float=y maxiter=3071 inside=maxiter logmap=yes periodicity=0 rseed=-2436 sound=off colors=0002oa0wc<10>2WI2TG2RE<3>4G54D36F5<16>kkammcpoe<3>zwm<3>mhZjdVfaS\ <3>VMCRI8OE4KA000900BB00006000700000<37>000<4>000330<6>220220220<3>11000\ 0110<2>000KA4<7>gcOjgRmjT<3>zzc<9>UOFRKDOGA<3>A00<9>f0Ci0Dl0F<3>z0K<6>Z0\ EV0DR0C<3>A08004000<26>000<4>000<7>Q0UU0YX0a_0dc0hf0l<2>p0w<4>_0dX0aU0Y<\ 2>K0NH0JG0NE1R<5>4h_ } 8magw-16 { ; ParentView ; Magnet Only ; Time 0.04.04.87 Reso 11280/1024 ; Dec 26, 2015 reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=mfr_13.frm formulaname=multifractal_13 function=sin/exp/exp/sin passes=t center-mag=-0.267002/-0.0163234/0.8929334/1/-90/-1.23373533611470521e-01\ 4 params=0/0/80000.645957/14235.4911030602/152048.0404808056/384.160489401\ 21/384.00482000595/256.1007683001/512.1007683001/768.1007683001 float=y maxiter=3071 inside=maxiter periodicity=0 rseed=-2436 sound=off colors=000110110000110<2>000KA4<7>gcOjgRmjT<3>zzc<9>UOFRKDOGA<3>A00<9>f0\ Ci0Dl0F<3>z0K<6>Z0EV0DR0C<3>A08004000<26>000<4>000<7>Q0UU0YX0a_0dc0hf0l<\ 2>p0w<4>_0dX0aU0Y<2>K0NH0JG0NE1R<3>7UX6`Z4h_2oa0wc<10>2WI2TG2RE<3>4G54D3\ 6F5<16>kkammcpoe<3>zwm<3>mhZjdVfaS<3>VMCRI8OE4KA000900BB00006000700000<3\ 7>000<4>000330<10>110 } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Albrecht Das Wort für Welt ist Wald ; --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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