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Re: [Fractint] General discussion
by Jim Muth 19 Apr '11

19 Apr '11

At 07:42 AM 4/19/2011 +0200, Albrecht wrote: >Hi, >I´m referring to my (admittedly provocative) statement >some days ago that the fractint forum is dead. >Of course it´s not, otherwise I wouldn´t be doing >this. On the other hand it seems true that the forum >has converted from a community of active members >into a collection of consumers. Yes, I agree. The enthusiasm that prevailed back in the early 1990's such as it did on the old Compuserve Fractint forum has largely vanished. Fractals have become more of a 'look ma, I'm an artist' thing rather than the exploration of new worlds that they were in the beginning. >If you think I´m wrong then prove it. No, I think you're right. >I´m 70 of age and dont have that much time left. I'm in the same age group -- ditto with the remaining time. >And I´m getting tired of throwing my creations into >the void and hoping that by sheer gravity >something returns. I often share the same feeling. >Do you think that my stuff >is junk and not worth discussing? Then say so. Not me. I think your stuff is great. >What´s the reason for this [lack of response]? I think people are simply overwhelmed by your formulas. One of the first comments I read was something like "did somebody actually write that formula", followed by "but there's some incredible detail down there in the image," which shows that your images are much admired. >Are people so involved >in their daily struggle for survival that there´s >no energy left for other activities? Many people are this involved. Sometimes I am almost one of them. >It should be the other way around: I agree. >If nothing else is left then what´s the reason >for living? IMO, "What is the meaning of life?" is the greatest unanswered question facing mankind. And neither religion nor science has anything near an answer that is both believable and satisfying. With this kind of despairing mindset prevailing, no wonder the world is in such turmoil and so many are seeking relief in drugs and trivial distractions such as the plague of violent games now infesting our culture. >Jim, how do You handle this situation. As for the meaning of life, I think about it, and read about it, and then think some more about it. When the thoughts get too intense, I boot Fractint and let the fractals do their thing. As to how I maintain my interest in fractals, I do nothing. I have never lost the original fascination I felt when I saw the Scientific American article about the Mandelbrot set back in 1984. I have always loved math, mysteries and exploration. What better place to find these things than in the infinitely infinite world of fractals. >I´m really interested to know - and please dont talk >about rumours if it´s me who has brought this up. I think that everybody, in the back of their minds, is concerned about the same things you are. As to why you get little response to your great fractals, I feel that people do appreciate your images, but just don't feel like making the small effort to post a comment. JIM

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Anyone have any ideas about this multifractal_10 problem?
by Hal Lane 19 Apr '11

19 Apr '11

I've had a situation where I could calculate an image using multifractal_10 at 640x480 with DOS Fractint under 32-bit WinXP, but when I tried to use Disk Video at the *same* (or higher) resolution, DOS Fractint failed. I had all the memory options for the DOS Properties of FRACTINT.EXE set to Auto. Does anyone have any comments or info about this? - Hal Lane ######################### # hallane(a)earthlink.net # #########################

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FOTD 19-04-11 (Escalator to Heaven [7]) - Multifractal_10 (Escalator)
by Albrecht Niekamp 19 Apr '11

19 Apr '11

Hi, this is my escalator. I did it on the same day, no kidding. Albrecht ==================start par============================== 51615c { ; Escalator ; Zoom into Next Generation Mandala ; Time 39.26 ; Colours Lee Skinner ; Albrecht Niekamp reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=mfr.frm formulaname=multifractal_10 function=sin/exp/exp/sin passes=t center-mag=+0.82264981623092790/+0.00000000000000034/67\ .2826/1/90/-1.23373533611470521e-014 params=-0.05825983458967864/0.3785210730307932/51615.06\ 595760008/14235.4911030602/152048.0404808048/384.160489\ 4048/384.00482000595/128.1007683001/256.1007683001/512.\ 1007683001 float=y maxiter=3072 inside=maxiter outside=tdis periodicity=0 rseed=-2436 colors=000LOr<3>_5fc0ce7_jFRoNIzb0zj0000zr0zz1zzC<2>zzz\ <3>jqdfo_blU<3>Mb8<3>LQ8KM8KJ8<2>I88H44G00<3>TA5WD6ZF7a\ I8eLAhMBiODjQF<3>qeBriAtm9vq8xu7zz5zz4zz3<4>zj4zg4zc4<3\ >zS5zP5zL6zI6zE6wE6tD6<6>vAIv9Kv9M<3>x7Sy7Uy6Wz6Yz5_<3>\ f5Ma5IW4E<2>_4H<3>P3DN2CK2A<3>805G0BO0G<3>g0Ul0Xq0`v0d<\ 2>y0fz0gy0h<3>u1mt1ns1or2q<2>v2u<3>c5eZ6`U6X<2>F9LAAG7F\ O4KW0Qc<3>5Xc6Zc7`c7aa7c_7eY<3>FcgHciJbl<3>S_v<3>civflv\ invlqvotvsww<2>zzz<3>rwzovzhsw<3>Gch8_d8Xa<3>8JP8FL8CI<\ 3>SCCXCAaB9<3>uA2zA0xA0<12>SA1QA1NA1<3>D92<6>UXAW`BYcC<\ 3>hrI<3>UnXRm_NlcJkgFfpAazEXwITu }

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General discussion
by Albrecht Niekamp 18 Apr '11

18 Apr '11

Hi, I´m referring to my (admittedly provocative) statement some days ago that the fractint forum is dead. Of course it´s not, otherwise I wouldn´t be doing this. On the other hand it seems true that the forum has converted from a community of active members into a collection of consumers. If you think I´m wrong then prove it. I´m 70 of age and dont have that much time left. And I´m getting tired of throwing my creations into the void and hoping that by sheer gravity something returns. Do you think that my stuff is junk and not worth discussing? Then say so. What´s the reason for this? Are people so involved in their daily struggle for survival that there´s no energy left for other activities? It should be the other way around: If nothing else is left then what´s the reason for living? Jim, how do You handle this situation, I´m really interested to know - and please dont talk about rumours if it´s me who has brought this up. Sincerely, Albrecht

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FOTD 19-04-11 (Escalator to Heaven [7])
by Jim Muth 18 Apr '11

18 Apr '11

FOTD -- April 19, 2011 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I recently saw on the list a fractal vaguely resembling a stair- way, an image that brought out my full philosophizing tendencies and condensed them into the automated stairway that is today's FOTD image. The image resembles a stairway to heaven. But this is no every- day stairway. It curves upward so sharply that I decided to name it "Escalator to Heaven". And a person does not need to hold any particular beliefs to ride to the top of the fractal escalator. The image was created by the Mystic formula, one that I wrote many years ago, then filed away when I wrote the Mystic2 formula. The parent fractal is little more than an amorphous mass of stuff, with today's escalator on the west side and a smaller stairway on the east side. (This smaller stairway luckily leads nowhere in the other direction.) The rating of a 7 is equal to the old rating of an 8. The calcu- lation time of only 33 seconds will pass in a flash. But the best way to view the image is to go to the official but far from complete FOTD web site at: <http://www.crosscanpuzzles.com/Archives.html> or to Hal's web site at: <http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/TESTS/FOTD/jim_muths_fotd.html> where the image is posted in high definition. The original FOTD web site, with the entire back-library of images previous to November 2010 is still up and running at: <http://www.Nahee.com/FOTD/> Monday dawned bright and clear here at Fractal Central, but clouds moved in by 9am and hung around the rest of the day. The temperature of 64F 18C was mild enough, but would have been more enjoyable if there had been sun to go with the mild conditions. The fractal cats, who care not at all about outside conditions, kept themselves happy indoors. Nicholas spent the afternoon as a lump under an afghan. Cassandra slept on the couch. The humans had an average day, which is all that can be hoped for. The next FOTD will be posted in 24 hours. Until then, take care, and don't blame me if I use the logical mind God gave me to think logically about religion. Jim Muth jamth(a)mindspring.com START PARAMETER FILE======================================= EscalatorTo_Heaven { ; time=0:00:33.06-SF5 on P4-2000 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=basicer.frm formulaname=Mystic function=ident/asin passes=1 center-mag=-0.4235/0/3.205128/1/90/0 params=0.75/0\ /0/0/1/0 float=y maxiter=100 inside=bof60 logmap=yes periodicity=6 colors=00066j66i66h76g76f76e77d87c87b87a87`97_97Z9\ 7Y97XA7WA7VA8UA8TB8SB8RB8QB8PC8OC8NC8MC8LD8KD9JD9I\ D9HE9GE9FE9EE9DFADGADHADIBDJBEKCELCEMDENDFOEFPEFQF\ FRFFSGGTGIUHKVHMXIOYIQZIS_JU`JWaKYbKZcLZdLZeMcfMcg\ NchNciOcjOckPclQhmShnUmnUmnXmnXro`vo`zo`zoczoczocz\ ohzphzphzpmzpmzpmzprzprzprzqwzrwzszztzzuzzvzzwzzxz\ zyzzzzzpEKpGJpHJpIIpJIpKHpMGpNGpOFpPFpQEpSEoTDoUCo\ VCoWBoXBoYAo_9o`9oa8ob8oc7od6of6og5oh5oi4oj4mi6lh8\ jg9ifBgeCfdEdcGcbHaaJ``K__MYZOXYPVXRUXSSWURVVPUXOT\ ZNS_LRaKQbIPdHOfFNgEMiCLjBKlAKm9Ln9Mn9Mn9Nn8No8Oo8\ Po8Po8Qo8Qo8Ro8So7Sp7Tp7Tp7Up7Vp7Vp7Wp7Xq6Xq6Yq6Yq\ 6Zq6_q6_q6`q5`r5ar5br5br5cr5cr5dr5er4es4fs4fs4gs4g\ s5ft6et7et8dt9ctAbtBbtCatD`tE`tF_tGZtHZtIYtJXtKWtL\ WtMVtNUtOUtPTtQStRRtSRtTQtUPtVPtWOtXNtYNtZMt_Lt`Kt\ aKtbJtbJtaLraNqaPpaRoaTnaVmaWkaYja_iaahacgbbjb`lb_\ naWq45q45p55o55n55m65l65k } frm:Mystic {; Jim Muth c=pixel, z=sqr(pixel)+(p1*(pixel)): z=sqr(sqr(z)+(p2*(c)))+(p3*(fn1(c))) c=fn2(c), LastSqr <= 100 } END PARAMETER FILE=========================================

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Multifractal_10
by Albrecht Niekamp 18 Apr '11

18 Apr '11

Hi, the name Next Generation Mandala has proved absolutely correct. I had a feeling it would turn out that way, cause I knew that using the mmods formula twice in an image creates unlimited complexity. Hail to Linda Allison! Does anyone know what has become of her? This one came about after some maximum zooms into the center and then into one of the outside circles. Jack, how about a new edition of Mandalaz ?? The zooms are reasonably fast so I think it should be possible, but you know better. Fractals are fun! Albrecht ======================start par========================== 51615dz1 { ; Brot Wearing Jeans ; Deep Zoom into an outer circle ; Time 09.51 ; Lee Skinner Colours ; Albrecht Niekamp Apr18, 2011 reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=mfr.frm formulaname=multifractal_10 function=sin/exp/exp/sin passes=t center-mag=+0.00000017410676834/+0.00010542350380415/11\ 2948.6/1/90/-1.23373533611470521e-014 params=-0.05825983458967864/0.3785210730307932/51615.06\ 595760008/14235.4911030602/152048.0404808048/384.160489\ 4048/384.00482000595/128.1007683001/256.1007683001/512.\ 1007683001 float=y maxiter=3072 inside=maxiter outside=tdis periodicity=0 rseed=-2436 colors=000LOr<3>_5fc0ce7_jFRoNIzb0zj0000zr0zz1zzC<2>zzz\ <3>jqdfo_blU<3>Mb8<3>LQ8KM8KJ8<2>I88H44G00<3>TA5WD6ZF7a\ I8eLAhMBiODjQF<3>qeBriAtm9vq8xu7zz5zz4zz3<4>zj4zg4zc4<3\ >zS5zP5zL6zI6zE6wE6tD6<6>vAIv9Kv9M<3>x7Sy7Uy6Wz6Yz5_<3>\ f5Ma5IW4E<2>_4H<3>P3DN2CK2A<3>805G0BO0G<3>g0Ul0Xq0`v0d<\ 2>y0fz0gy0h<3>u1mt1ns1or2q<2>v2u<3>c5eZ6`U6X<2>F9LAAG7F\ O4KW0Qc<3>5Xc6Zc7`c7aa7c_7eY<3>FcgHciJbl<3>S_v<3>civflv\ invlqvotvsww<2>zzz<3>rwzovzhsw<3>Gch8_d8Xa<3>8JP8FL8CI<\ 3>SCCXCAaB9<3>uA2zA0xA0<12>SA1QA1NA1<3>D92<6>UXAW`BYcC<\ 3>hrI<3>UnXRm_NlcJkgFfpAazEXwITu }

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Multifractal_10
by Albrecht Niekamp 18 Apr '11

18 Apr '11

Hi, this is another zoom into the "Next Generation Mandala". Phoenix is the middle part, secant on inner and outer side. I used Lee Skinner´s colours. It is what I call an "overnight fractal", especially if you´re using line by line generating, but worth waiting, definetly. Sincerely, Albrecht =======================start par======================== 51615d { ; Phoenix Division ; phoenix part of n.g.mandala ; mmods-secant-phoenix-secant-mmods ; time 1.19.22 ; using Lee´s colours reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=mfr.frm formulaname=multifractal_10 function=sin/exp/exp/sin passes=t center-mag=+0.82383982258501190/+0.00988986571121139/49\ 4.725/1/32.5000000000011369/-1.90794602339394714e-012 params=-0.05825983458967864/0.3785210730307932/51615.06\ 595760008/14235.4911030602/152048.0404808048/384.160489\ 4048/384.00482000595/128.1007683001/256.1007683001/512.\ 1007683001 float=y maxiter=3072 inside=maxiter outside=tdis periodicity=0 rseed=-2436 colors=000LOr<3>_5fc0ce7_jFRoNIzb0zj0000zr0zz1zzC<2>zzz\ <3>jqdfo_blU<3>Mb8<3>LQ8KM8KJ8<2>I88H44G00<3>TA5WD6ZF7a\ I8eLAhMBiODjQF<3>qeBriAtm9vq8xu7zz5zz4zz3<4>zj4zg4zc4<3\ >zS5zP5zL6zI6zE6wE6tD6<6>vAIv9Kv9M<3>x7Sy7Uy6Wz6Yz5_<3>\ f5Ma5IW4E<2>_4H<3>P3DN2CK2A<3>805G0BO0G<3>g0Ul0Xq0`v0d<\ 2>y0fz0gy0h<3>u1mt1ns1or2q<2>v2u<3>c5eZ6`U6X<2>F9LAAG7F\ O4KW0Qc<3>5Xc6Zc7`c7aa7c_7eY<3>FcgHciJbl<3>S_v<3>civflv\ invlqvotvsww<2>zzz<3>rwzovzhsw<3>Gch8_d8Xa<3>8JP8FL8CI<\ 3>SCCXCAaB9<3>uA2zA0xA0<12>SA1QA1NA1<3>D92<6>UXAW`BYcC<\ 3>hrI<3>UnXRm_NlcJkgFfpAazEXwITu }

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Re: [Fractint] 67156d Fractal tower
by JackOfTradeZ＠comcast.net 18 Apr '11

18 Apr '11

. I dont see a staircase, but the image is quite chaotic. Try zooming back out - it is interesting. At around E-004 it looks like a brite red curtain over a spherical "universe" unfolding, then further back out a series of concentric circles. Strange. .

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FOTD 18-04-11 (Belief in the Outcome [4])
by Jim Muth 17 Apr '11

17 Apr '11

FOTD -- April 18, 2011 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's image rates a 4. But this is on the new scale. On the old scale it would rate a respectable 6. The name "Belief in the Outcome" means whatever the fractal fan wishes. The actual image shows a minibrot rather deep in the parent fractal that results when the formula Z^(1.75)+C is iterated just one level down the logarithmic ladder. This parent fractal is a lopsided thing squashed on the X-axis, with one large mis-shaped bud on the north side and two buds on the south side. Today's scene is located in a kind of East Valley of an out-of-place but large minibrot just inland of the northeast shore line of the main bay. The calculation time of 8-1/2 minutes is admittedly more than the image is worth. The way out of this dilemma is to view the already-calculated image on the FOTD web site at: <http://www.crosscanpuzzles.com/Archives.html> and in high definition at: <http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/TESTS/FOTD/jim_muths_fotd.html> The classic FOTD web site, with all the past images, may still be accessed at: <http://www.Nahee.com/FOTD/> though I would not count on it being there forever. After Saturday's downpour, Sunday's scattered heavy clouds seemed fair indeed here at Fractal Central. The temperature of 59F 15C was spoiled by a strong wind however, which made it feel quite chilly in the open. The fractal cats chased the sun during the times it was out, and slept when the clouds moved in. The humans took it easy most all day. The next FOTD will be posted in 24 hours. Until then, take care, and rational thinkers believe in quarks, which no one has seen, and at the same time, do not believe in ghosts, which many have seen. I guess it's all in the mind. Jim Muth jamth(a)mindspring.com START PARAMETER FILE======================================= BeliefInTheOutcome { ; time=0:08:24.22-SF5 on P4-2000 reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=jim.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC3 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+0.9062916652297548/+0.3114101611961053\ /7.976225e+010/1/-97.5/0 params=1.75/0/-1/0 float=y maxiter=5200 inside=0 logmap=632 periodicity=6 colors=000PGPPJHPIAPG2PZmPEcPEKPFIPThPN_PHR4BI259u\ jmmdffZ`_TVTNPLHIEBC706zcUkKlcHdWDXOcOGcG8c8ccEmcC\ zcAUc8Mc6Fc47c2LcRIUNFUKDUGAUD7UA5zm2zm5zm3zm2zm1z\ 1HzMDzHAzD6z83z4qzIRz9xzsdzOUzIzzCzz6zzMzzJzzGzzDz\ zBzz8zz5zz2zzNzzezzgzzizzjzzlzzmzznzzhzzczzZzzUzzO\ zzRzzUzzZzzczzhzzmzzmzzrzzvzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzUNHUM\ YULWUKUUJSUIQUHOUGMUFKT2ATp5MCLNHzKFImCmDACus96563\ 23C5VA4R93N73J62F41B317103e_A_U8UP7OK5IF4CA2651x`Q\ WcPRYLMSHIMEDHA9B7453PjQLdMIZJFTGCND9H96B6353dHj6X\ N4QI3JD2D91640cI000027013EJXAEO79G348q3f_2SI1EzvCs\ nAlg9d_7YT6MM4EE3771xncUPKmaP`SIPJCC96psqkpicjaW_U\ OPNGEF877PmpXpWObOGQG8D88p46z35q24U23M12F1170uCWi9\ PY7JN4CB26gD0mB0V90z70I50C30610dcxrcR0cqNcnJceFcYB\ cP7cH3c8PcnKceGcYCcP8cH4c8mgw`zhPzUCzFzzyoznezdzzV\ zzKzzAzz6zz4zz2zz0zz0zz0zz07zz4zz2zzCzzAzz9zz7zz6z\ z4zz3zz1zzszzYzzTzzPzzLzz } frm:MandelbrotBC3 { ; by several Fractint users e=p1, a=imag(p2)+100 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*fn1(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)+PI-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z|<a } END PARAMETER FILE=========================================

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Multifractal_10
by Albrecht Niekamp 17 Apr '11

17 Apr '11

Hi, this is a light zoom into the next generation mandala, as impressive as the complete one. Please try your own zooms into the hypercomplex parts and present them if you like. Sincerely, Albrecht ===========================start par===================== 51615a { ; Fireworks ; mmods-sec-phoen-sec-mmods ; time 0.43.58 ; zoom into the next g.mandala ; Albrecht Niekamp Apr 17, 2011 reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=mfr.frm formulaname=multifractal_10 function=sin/exp/exp/sin passes=t center-mag=0.839658/3.05311e-016/5.786304/1/90/3.885780\ 58618804789e-016 params=-0.05825983458967864/0.3785210730307932/51615.06\ 595760008/14235.4911030602/152048.0404808048/384.160489\ 4048/384.00482000595/128.1007683001/256.1007683001/512.\ 1007683001 float=y maxiter=3072 inside=maxiter outside=tdis periodicity=0 rseed=-2436 colors=20009C<3>034022000<8>IF9KHAMJBOLCQMDSOE<8>icNkeO\ mfP<3>unTwpVxqWzsX<25>CB7A96875<3>000400<23>o00q00s00<3\ >z00<25>C00A00800<3>000<11>LLLNNNPPPQQQSSSUUU<6>fffgggi\ iijjjlll<3>sss<25>BBB999777<2>222000012<22>0_k0am0bo0cq\ <3>0jx0kz0jx<23>0BE }

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